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No idea about the others, I do grade Elon as harsh as I'd grade everyone else who does the same things. I only know about his attics the other peoples because o

by hef19898 3y ago

No idea about the others, I do grade Elon as harsh as I'd grade everyone else who does the same things. I only know about his attics the other peoples because of his public profile. The danger I see, because already happened more than once, is that once certain opinions are publicly acceptable, those opinions risk becoming policy. And once those policies get enacted, as history showed, a lot of inncent people suffer. And with Musks outsized crowd of fanboys, he is even more dangerous than he would be simply controlling Twitter.

0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
>The danger I see, because already happened more than once, is that once certain opinions are publicly acceptable, those opinions risk becoming policy. And once those policies get enacted, as history showed, a lot of inncent people suffer. This sort of reasoning doesn't help us identify correct opinions or good policies. I could just as easily say: "If critics are silenced, the people silencing critics may be allowed to dictate policy. And once the people who silence critics get their policies enacted, as history showed, a lot of innocent people suffer." In a theocracy, the dictator can make arguing for atheism a crime, on the grounds that: "Arguing for atheism causes people to go to hell. A lot of innocent people will suffer. Therefore, we throw atheists in jail, in order to save innocents." My basic position is: If your ideas are strong, you should be competent to argue with those who disagree. If your ideas are weak, you should not bully others into submission so you can enforce weak ideas.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Insimply explained why I argue against right wing opinions everywhere I encounter them. And I am all for having those arguements. Not being American, I see the reasoning behind certain limits of free speech, advocating for hate and violence for example. It should be up to the courts to act on those limits, censorship of opinions has to be avoided. I have zero issue with opinions having consequences so. And yes, we have seen time and again that, as soon as othering people becomes policy, really bad things happen. That othering starts with words, and the political right are those using those words, and ideologies, far more often than the political left. And it is the right who does that othering on things like ethnicity, sexe, religion, skin color... The left tends to other based on opinion, which while still bad, is a far cry from actually argueing for interning said others in camps, excluding them from voting, access to health care...
  - 0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
    >That othering starts with words, and the political right are those using those words, and ideologies, far more often than the political left. That's not obvious. Here is one US college professor (well-known open borders libertarian) on what he sees on campus: https://betonit.substack.com/p/orwellian-othering https://betonit.substack.com/p/orwellian-othering >The left tends to other based on opinion, which while still bad, is a far cry from actually argueing for interning said others in camps, excluding them from voting, access to health care... An editor for Huffington Post South Africa defended a post she published arguing that white men shouldn't be allowed to vote, saying: "[The] underlying analysis about the uneven distribution of wealth and power in the world is pretty standard for feminist theory". https://qz.com/africa/966763/huffington-post-south-africa-editor-verashni-pillay-resigns-after-fake-blog-on-denying-white-men-franchise https://qz.com/africa/966763/huffington-post-south-africa-ed... What does that tell you about feminist theory? In any case, the most important point is: I've never seen Elon Musk argue for interning others in camps, excluding people from voting, or excluding people from access to health care. In my eyes, your argument makes about as much sense as me saying that you should be banned from Hacker News because you sound vaguely communist, and Joseph Stalin killed a lot of people.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      I never argued for banning Musks opinion, and I wont. Regarding the radical feminist in South Africa, call.me again when she has a realistic shot at becoming President there Sure, Musk didn' propose camps as far as I can tell. He is, squarely by his own words, in the right leaning political camp in the US. Amd the current front runner for the presidencial candidacy of that camp called for all of those things, publicly, during a rally on Veterans Day. Also, one opinion piece regarding the rescriction of voting, which is just a nut job idea, is quite different from gerryandering, reducing poling places and planning to impeach judges wjo said they don'z like gerrymandering (which actually is a thing, multiple courts in the US threw out district maps because of it). Actions weigh heavier than words, always. Funny that you think I'm leaning communist, were I live my political opinion is somewhere left / social liberal of the center but a far cry from the left extreme of the political spectrum. No surprise so, it just shows the difference between the US and Europe.

0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago

>The danger I see, because already happened more than once, is that once certain opinions are publicly acceptable, those opinions risk becoming policy. And once those policies get enacted, as history showed, a lot of inncent people suffer. This sort of reasoning doesn't help us identify correct opinions or good policies. I could just as easily say: "If critics are silenced, the people silencing critics may be allowed to dictate policy. And once the people who silence critics get their policies enacted, as history showed, a lot of innocent people suffer." In a theocracy, the dictator can make arguing for atheism a crime, on the grounds that: "Arguing for atheism causes people to go to hell. A lot of innocent people will suffer. Therefore, we throw atheists in jail, in order to save innocents." My basic position is: If your ideas are strong, you should be competent to argue with those who disagree. If your ideas are weak, you should not bully others into submission so you can enforce weak ideas.

hef19898 3y ago
Insimply explained why I argue against right wing opinions everywhere I encounter them. And I am all for having those arguements. Not being American, I see the reasoning behind certain limits of free speech, advocating for hate and violence for example. It should be up to the courts to act on those limits, censorship of opinions has to be avoided. I have zero issue with opinions having consequences so. And yes, we have seen time and again that, as soon as othering people becomes policy, really bad things happen. That othering starts with words, and the political right are those using those words, and ideologies, far more often than the political left. And it is the right who does that othering on things like ethnicity, sexe, religion, skin color... The left tends to other based on opinion, which while still bad, is a far cry from actually argueing for interning said others in camps, excluding them from voting, access to health care...
- 0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
  >That othering starts with words, and the political right are those using those words, and ideologies, far more often than the political left. That's not obvious. Here is one US college professor (well-known open borders libertarian) on what he sees on campus: https://betonit.substack.com/p/orwellian-othering https://betonit.substack.com/p/orwellian-othering >The left tends to other based on opinion, which while still bad, is a far cry from actually argueing for interning said others in camps, excluding them from voting, access to health care... An editor for Huffington Post South Africa defended a post she published arguing that white men shouldn't be allowed to vote, saying: "[The] underlying analysis about the uneven distribution of wealth and power in the world is pretty standard for feminist theory". https://qz.com/africa/966763/huffington-post-south-africa-editor-verashni-pillay-resigns-after-fake-blog-on-denying-white-men-franchise https://qz.com/africa/966763/huffington-post-south-africa-ed... What does that tell you about feminist theory? In any case, the most important point is: I've never seen Elon Musk argue for interning others in camps, excluding people from voting, or excluding people from access to health care. In my eyes, your argument makes about as much sense as me saying that you should be banned from Hacker News because you sound vaguely communist, and Joseph Stalin killed a lot of people.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    I never argued for banning Musks opinion, and I wont. Regarding the radical feminist in South Africa, call.me again when she has a realistic shot at becoming President there Sure, Musk didn' propose camps as far as I can tell. He is, squarely by his own words, in the right leaning political camp in the US. Amd the current front runner for the presidencial candidacy of that camp called for all of those things, publicly, during a rally on Veterans Day. Also, one opinion piece regarding the rescriction of voting, which is just a nut job idea, is quite different from gerryandering, reducing poling places and planning to impeach judges wjo said they don'z like gerrymandering (which actually is a thing, multiple courts in the US threw out district maps because of it). Actions weigh heavier than words, always. Funny that you think I'm leaning communist, were I live my political opinion is somewhere left / social liberal of the center but a far cry from the left extreme of the political spectrum. No surprise so, it just shows the difference between the US and Europe.