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I wish there was a way to send all y’all who want to live in a 24/7 surveillance dystopia to live in one, and leave the rest of us to enjoy dangerous liberty.

pixxel 3y ago
They’d be insistent on you enjoying surveillance, too.
- psychlops 3y ago
  "Cause we're all in this together!"
salamandersss 3y ago
Plenty of rural places like that. Many on HN would call them unregulated shitholes but it's not hard to find a place where police are an hour drive away and the residents are expected for better or worse to handle our own business. We like it that way, and we're glad the others feel unwelcome here.
- kube-system 3y ago
  I have lived in both places. People in both places like to cheerlead for their chosen way of life, convinced that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The truth is that rural and urban living have different pros and cons and different wants and needs. There's no one ideal way of living.
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- gosub100 3y ago
  your comment could apply equally to (urban|rural) areas. I see no distinction, "handle our own business" could mean the urban credo "stop snitching". police are an hour (-drive) away could mean police are investigating a more serious offense and won't show up to your 'hood.
  - Loughla 3y ago
    I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
    - gosub100 3y ago
      "we're more alike than we are different" - maybe?
      - Spooky23 3y ago
        Exactly. I live in cow country and now in the urban core of a metro area. Society is structured around the suburbs.
- sneak 3y ago
  Section 702 doesn’t care if you live far away from police. You’re still under total communications and economic surveillance unless you ditch your phone and payment cards.
- myvoiceismypass 3y ago
  Just curious - if the police are an hour away, how far is a hospital?
ineptech 3y ago
I think that ship has sailed. Our internet traffic has been hoovered up at the telco for decades (and shared with several other governments), our cars tell half a dozen "partners" which businesses we visit, our phones keep track of who we are in proximity to and report it all back to the world's largest ad company, and opening a brokerage account to buy stock involves scanning both my face and driver's license, but this is what would be going too far? Using drones to look at loud noises that might be gunshots?
- abeyer 3y ago
  So your suggestion is that we accept that we've gone too far, and just keep going farther instead?
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  - ineptech 3y ago
    No.

pixxel 3y ago

They’d be insistent on you enjoying surveillance, too.

psychlops 3y ago
"Cause we're all in this together!"

salamandersss 3y ago

Plenty of rural places like that. Many on HN would call them unregulated shitholes but it's not hard to find a place where police are an hour drive away and the residents are expected for better or worse to handle our own business. We like it that way, and we're glad the others feel unwelcome here.

kube-system 3y ago
I have lived in both places. People in both places like to cheerlead for their chosen way of life, convinced that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The truth is that rural and urban living have different pros and cons and different wants and needs. There's no one ideal way of living.
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gosub100 3y ago
your comment could apply equally to (urban|rural) areas. I see no distinction, "handle our own business" could mean the urban credo "stop snitching". police are an hour (-drive) away could mean police are investigating a more serious offense and won't show up to your 'hood.
- Loughla 3y ago
  I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
  - gosub100 3y ago
    "we're more alike than we are different" - maybe?
    - Spooky23 3y ago
      Exactly. I live in cow country and now in the urban core of a metro area. Society is structured around the suburbs.
sneak 3y ago
Section 702 doesn’t care if you live far away from police. You’re still under total communications and economic surveillance unless you ditch your phone and payment cards.
myvoiceismypass 3y ago
Just curious - if the police are an hour away, how far is a hospital?

ineptech 3y ago

I think that ship has sailed. Our internet traffic has been hoovered up at the telco for decades (and shared with several other governments), our cars tell half a dozen "partners" which businesses we visit, our phones keep track of who we are in proximity to and report it all back to the world's largest ad company, and opening a brokerage account to buy stock involves scanning both my face and driver's license, but this is what would be going too far? Using drones to look at loud noises that might be gunshots?

abeyer 3y ago
So your suggestion is that we accept that we've gone too far, and just keep going farther instead?
- deleted 3y ago
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- ineptech 3y ago
  No.