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> and from the bottom by those who have yet to grapple with the fact they dont have friends or hobbies and need you in the office so that they dont feel like su

> and from the bottom by those who have yet to grapple with the fact they dont have friends or hobbies and need you in the office so that they dont feel like such embarrassing losers. I can see why office culture doesn't appeal to you, you sound like a grump who doesn't enjoy the comraderie you can form with people that you spend 40 hours a week with. If you can enjoy the cognitive dissonance of socializing with black squares in a zoom, that's great, but I'd rather enjoy the time I spend working, not merely tolerate it. I don't think that makes me a loser.

isodev 3y ago
This is exactly why folks should be free to choose remote or to “band together” in a shared workspace - people aren’t the same and it’s so much better when we can tailor our workspace to fit our personalities and way of working.
lm28469 3y ago
> who doesn't enjoy the comraderie you can form with people that you spend 40 hours a week with. I'd much rather spend that time with people I chose. Some you of you borderline sound like you're suffering from Stockholm syndrome
- layer8 3y ago
  What I don’t get is why you would want to spend half of your waking hours, even remotely, working with people on a team whose company you don’t enjoy? The conclusion I would draw is that I’m on the wrong team or at the wrong company, and then switch as quickly as possible.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    I enjoy my friends, yet I don't want to spend 8 hours a day, 5 days a week in sitting 1 meter away from them. It's a job, it's IT, it's easy, it's well paid, as long I don't have a literal archnemesis annoying me every day I literally don't care who I work with. Not everyone has the luxury to quit a job and find a new one right away, especially in the current climate
mcmcdtx 3y ago
Some of us just don't enjoy socializing with whoever happens to be around more than we would enjoy just not socializing. I have had some good relationships with some of my co workers but I haven't made any real friends at my current job of ten years. And the people that talk the most tend to be the ones I find the most difficult to relate to, whether it's because they only want to talk about one thing (football or hunting generally) or all of their jokes assume everyone else is racist too. The specifics here have to do with my location but it seems like a wide enough issue that most of my real friends experience similar issues at their jobs as well.
dogman144 3y ago
The big secret is 1-2 people of 10 actually enjoy that camaraderie vs being home with their families and dogs, all else equal. You sound like the 1. Doesn’t make you a loser, but it does make you very lacking in empathy for the real life consequences of the missed band recitals, lunches with a spouse and many many opportunities to build the life-long links of family via wfh for in exchange for a 2-3 year relationship with colleagues Those colleagues won’t remember your name in another 2-3 years. But as this version of the argument goes, your short term social needs get prioritized?

isodev 3y ago

This is exactly why folks should be free to choose remote or to “band together” in a shared workspace - people aren’t the same and it’s so much better when we can tailor our workspace to fit our personalities and way of working.

lm28469 3y ago

> who doesn't enjoy the comraderie you can form with people that you spend 40 hours a week with. I'd much rather spend that time with people I chose. Some you of you borderline sound like you're suffering from Stockholm syndrome

layer8 3y ago
What I don’t get is why you would want to spend half of your waking hours, even remotely, working with people on a team whose company you don’t enjoy? The conclusion I would draw is that I’m on the wrong team or at the wrong company, and then switch as quickly as possible.
- lm28469 3y ago
  I enjoy my friends, yet I don't want to spend 8 hours a day, 5 days a week in sitting 1 meter away from them. It's a job, it's IT, it's easy, it's well paid, as long I don't have a literal archnemesis annoying me every day I literally don't care who I work with. Not everyone has the luxury to quit a job and find a new one right away, especially in the current climate

mcmcdtx 3y ago

Some of us just don't enjoy socializing with whoever happens to be around more than we would enjoy just not socializing. I have had some good relationships with some of my co workers but I haven't made any real friends at my current job of ten years. And the people that talk the most tend to be the ones I find the most difficult to relate to, whether it's because they only want to talk about one thing (football or hunting generally) or all of their jokes assume everyone else is racist too. The specifics here have to do with my location but it seems like a wide enough issue that most of my real friends experience similar issues at their jobs as well.

dogman144 3y ago

The big secret is 1-2 people of 10 actually enjoy that camaraderie vs being home with their families and dogs, all else equal. You sound like the 1. Doesn’t make you a loser, but it does make you very lacking in empathy for the real life consequences of the missed band recitals, lunches with a spouse and many many opportunities to build the life-long links of family via wfh for in exchange for a 2-3 year relationship with colleagues Those colleagues won’t remember your name in another 2-3 years. But as this version of the argument goes, your short term social needs get prioritized?