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Meanwhile my SO really enjoys starting the car's climate control when she's about to leave her friend, the restaurant or similar, way out of Bluetooth range. E

Meanwhile my SO really enjoys starting the car's climate control when she's about to leave her friend, the restaurant or similar, way out of Bluetooth range. Especially during the winter when it's -15C or below it's really nice to step into a warm car compared to an ice cold car.

userbinator 3y ago
It doesn't have to be Bluetooth. We had local wireless remote start and control solutions long before "cloud" or even BT or WiFi was a thing.
- api 3y ago
  Add LoRA support to phones and you could have it miles away. But that would not require a subscription.
  - simfree 3y ago
    Heck, put LoRA and Bluetooth Low Energy in the remote, then your phone can send this message through BLE and the remote will relay it to the car seamlessly from significant distance.
doublerabbit 3y ago
proc HeatUpCar {$temperature} { switch $temperature { -15c { activateHeat } } } Not a hard feature to program
- xur17 3y ago
  I think the idea is that you can start the heater a few minutes before you head to your car rather than setting a return time before you leave, or leaving the car's heater on the entire time.
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    Hmm, touché.
happytiger 3y ago
I don’t want to sell all my data and privacy to car companies so I can have a warm car from a distance. If you want to make that trade you guys go ahead. Me: bad trade.
- maximus-decimus 3y ago
  And I find it a bad trade NOW. I can't imagine what it's gonna be like in 10 years once they don't push security updates and the Kia Boys can use years old security bugs to steal your car.
  - happytiger 3y ago
    Oh yea. They toute “cars as technology platforms” but these are the organizations who couldn’t even deliver updates over-the-air until Tesla shamed them. The attack surface of entire product lines that have huge utility but no security is going to be epic. Just look at this garbage. Not one mention of any of the issues or security problems these companies are condemning themselves to, not to mention the consumers… https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/de/Documents/risk/Deloitte-Trusted-Software-POV-On-demand-car-features.pdf https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/de/Documents/... Vehicles can last 10-20 years, but updates from manufacturers top out at 5-7 and are almost exclusively closed source and lawsuit / litigation heavy and willing. It is kill box territory.
wannacboatmovie 3y ago
Fortunately there is 30 year old tech that does exactly this without any modern app-tier enshittification. You can start a car from 2km away by pushing a button on the key ring. This is a solved problem. That doesn't involve a smartphone.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  How much range when the car is in a parking garage and you are in a condo, restaurant or similar, ie both surrounded by concrete? Besides an app allows much more than a simple on off. Not saying you should have to sell your privacy for ut, but there are some potential positive things by having the car connected to the cloud. So if there's a way to do that without the shenanigans then that might be good.

userbinator 3y ago

It doesn't have to be Bluetooth. We had local wireless remote start and control solutions long before "cloud" or even BT or WiFi was a thing.

api 3y ago
Add LoRA support to phones and you could have it miles away. But that would not require a subscription.
- simfree 3y ago
  Heck, put LoRA and Bluetooth Low Energy in the remote, then your phone can send this message through BLE and the remote will relay it to the car seamlessly from significant distance.

doublerabbit 3y ago

proc HeatUpCar {$temperature} { switch $temperature { -15c { activateHeat } } } Not a hard feature to program

xur17 3y ago
I think the idea is that you can start the heater a few minutes before you head to your car rather than setting a return time before you leave, or leaving the car's heater on the entire time.
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  Hmm, touché.

happytiger 3y ago

I don’t want to sell all my data and privacy to car companies so I can have a warm car from a distance. If you want to make that trade you guys go ahead. Me: bad trade.

maximus-decimus 3y ago
And I find it a bad trade NOW. I can't imagine what it's gonna be like in 10 years once they don't push security updates and the Kia Boys can use years old security bugs to steal your car.
- happytiger 3y ago
  Oh yea. They toute “cars as technology platforms” but these are the organizations who couldn’t even deliver updates over-the-air until Tesla shamed them. The attack surface of entire product lines that have huge utility but no security is going to be epic. Just look at this garbage. Not one mention of any of the issues or security problems these companies are condemning themselves to, not to mention the consumers… https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/de/Documents/risk/Deloitte-Trusted-Software-POV-On-demand-car-features.pdf https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/de/Documents/... Vehicles can last 10-20 years, but updates from manufacturers top out at 5-7 and are almost exclusively closed source and lawsuit / litigation heavy and willing. It is kill box territory.

wannacboatmovie 3y ago

Fortunately there is 30 year old tech that does exactly this without any modern app-tier enshittification. You can start a car from 2km away by pushing a button on the key ring. This is a solved problem. That doesn't involve a smartphone.

magicalhippo 3y ago
How much range when the car is in a parking garage and you are in a condo, restaurant or similar, ie both surrounded by concrete? Besides an app allows much more than a simple on off. Not saying you should have to sell your privacy for ut, but there are some potential positive things by having the car connected to the cloud. So if there's a way to do that without the shenanigans then that might be good.