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They don’t? In the United States you can’t be arrested and charged with theft without the owner claiming you actually stole something. Is that not the case in
by fingerlocks 3y ago
They don’t? In the United States you can’t be arrested and charged with theft without the owner claiming you actually stole something.
Is that not the case in the UK? Can you be charged because the DA read about a hypothetical crime in the bews?
- crooked-v 3y agoYou can absolutely be arrested and charged for that in the US. The police just generally don't because failure in court is nigh-guaranteed with an uncooperative key witness.
- fingerlocks 3y agoYeah, sure, you can be arrested for anything or nothing at all. Sorry I wasn’t clear. Do you have any examples of charges and convictions on theft without a prior claim of deprivation to a good or service from an owner? Or are we just being pedantic?
- crooked-v 3y agoWell, sure, here's a quick example of an uncooperative victim and the state attempting (and in this case failing) to prosecute on robbery charges anyway: https://www.norwichbulletin.com/story/news/crime/2009/03/21/witnesses-stay-silent-robbery-case/64982425007/ https://www.norwichbulletin.com/story/news/crime/2009/03/21/...
- fingerlocks 3y ago“charges and convictions” was not an inclusive-or statement
- ummonk 3y agoYou claimed “In the United States you can’t be arrested and charged with theft without the owner claiming you actually stole something.” Then you shifted the goalposts to “charges and convictions”.
- fingerlocks 3y agoYes I did. Which I clarified because a pedantic ball flew over the first goal post.
- staticman2 3y agoYou asked "Do you have any examples of charges and convictions on theft without a prior claim of deprivation to a good or service from an owner?" The real question is do you have an example of a judge ruling that someone can't be charged and convicted on theft without a prior claim of deprivation to a good and service from an owner? Because I'm pretty sure you are wrong. If you were correct about your belief, I'm sure you can find an example of someone charged with murder and theft, and the theft charges being thrown out because the victim is unavailable to say something was stolen. I guess in your imagination I can steal money from the wallet of a person in a coma in front of a cop, and get off scot free, since the victim can't testify against me?
- fingerlocks 3y agoNo, because you stole in front of a cop. If you stole from a comatose person in the witness of non-cop, and that non-cop has authority of agency over the comatose, they can can press charges and you can be arrested. Does that help?
- staticman2 3y agoYou seem to be inventing legal terms and ideas like an improvisational poet ("authority of agency over the comatose"????). How could that possibly help?
- fingerlocks 3y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_agency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_agency
- CamperBob2 3y agoIn the United States you can’t be arrested and charged with theft without the owner claiming you actually stole something. Not sure it was that simple in, for example, the case where Aaron Swartz 'stole' articles from JSTOR. JSTOR declined to press charges, but the prosecutor went berserk with self-righteous bloodlust, and well, we all know how that turned out.
- fingerlocks 3y agoHe was not charged with theft.