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Apple employees a ton of people in Ireland same as pretty much all top tier tech companies. Outside of crazy real estate prices Ireland is actually doing pretty

by qaq 3y ago

Apple employees a ton of people in Ireland same as pretty much all top tier tech companies. Outside of crazy real estate prices Ireland is actually doing pretty well.

isaacremuant 3y ago
Employing lots of foreigners who pay insane rent prices and are taxed heavily doesn't really benefit anyone else other than home owners who already were fleecing people due to the lack of construction. Ireland is doing well as a country in GDP terms (ignoring debt) but the people in the mid and lower tiers don't necessarily do well at all. It's increasingly classist and it has bad and inefficient healthcare, lack of police, excessive bureocracy and lack of political change due to an entrenched political class. Ireland, it's only doing well for some and only in the surface. Corrupt to an unbelievable degree if you actually see it up close, and not through layers of numbers and "process".
- turbo_fart 3y ago
  Ireland is doing well directly because of extremely clever biz Dev Irish people who made Ireland top tech and biotech centre in the entire world.
  - nikhilsimha 3y ago
    /s in the end? (genuine question)
    - andrepd 3y ago
      I'm pretty sure. They're poking fun at people who see the billions in tax dodge BEPS schemes included in Ireland GDP and think it has any bearing in reality.
  - skyyler 3y ago
    the point is that this is only benefiting those that already have money A bunch of foreigners showing up to pay more than you can for rent is not a good thing.
    - qaq 3y ago
      Ireland has pretty good education system while there are certainly immigrants a large % of positions is actually occupied by people born in Ireland.
- qaq 3y ago
  I lived in Ireland for 4 years can't say I share your sentiment
  - isaacremuant 3y ago
    Great arguments. I'm convinced.
    - qaq 3y ago
      I have a personal experiences which granted might not be much, but it certainly beats just making things up.
- closewith 3y ago
  > Ireland is doing well as a country in GDP terms (ignoring debt) but the people in the mid and lower tiers don't necessarily do well at all. Compared to what? Certainly not the Ireland of 25 years ago. > It's increasingly classist and it has bad and inefficient healthcare, lack of police, excessive bureocracy and lack of political change due to an entrenched political class. The only country in the EU where wealth inequality is decreasing, which has a struggling healthcare system but world-class outcomes, once of the least bureaucratic countries in the world, and which has a stable democracy which is about to undergo a completely peaceful transfer of power when Sinn Féin comes into power following the next election. I can only say that if you believe what you've written about Ireland, you simply don't have the perspective to comment on this.
  - isaacremuant 3y ago
    Compared to today. Compared to 5 years ago. Compared to 15 years ago. Citation needed and the "peaceful transition" is laughable as a selling point. Is the bar so low? Lol. It'll be grand land has yet another defender that wants people to not rock the boat and attacks anyone who showcases how backwards thing are. Talk to a real person and not one who has their life easily laid out... Perspective, huh? Shame on your disingenuous response.
    - closewith 3y ago
      > Compared to today. Compared to 5 years ago. Compared to 15 years ago. So your contention is that Ireland hasn't improved since 2018 or 2003? For almost everyone in almost every category, that is not true. > Citation needed and the "peaceful transition" is laughable as a selling point. Is the bar so low? Lol. No, the bar is very high as Ireland is one of the top tier countries in the world to live by almost any measure. That was a direct response to your claim of a "lack of political change due to an entrenched political class", which is patently untrue in Ireland. > It'll be grand land has yet another defender that wants people to not rock the boat and attacks anyone who showcases how backwards thing are. Ireland is certainly not perfect. I work in the medical field and am constantly frustrated at the medical and social services. However, I've also worked around the world and know that while Ireland is in fact an outlier, it's a positive outlier compared to even the developed world. > Talk to a real person and not one who has their life easily laid out... I do, daily, and not only online. The kind of disingenuous negativity you hold is not common. > Perspective, huh? Shame on your disingenuous response. The irony is palpable. Luckily those of us working to improve the country aren't discouraged by those on the sidelines offering only empty critiques.
- anonymousDan 3y ago
  This is just... nonsense. You need to get around a bit more if you don't think the quality of life in Ireland is high in comparison to most places in the world.

by qaq 3y ago

Apple employees a ton of people in Ireland same as pretty much all top tier tech companies. Outside of crazy real estate prices Ireland is actually doing pretty well.

isaacremuant 3y ago

Employing lots of foreigners who pay insane rent prices and are taxed heavily doesn't really benefit anyone else other than home owners who already were fleecing people due to the lack of construction. Ireland is doing well as a country in GDP terms (ignoring debt) but the people in the mid and lower tiers don't necessarily do well at all. It's increasingly classist and it has bad and inefficient healthcare, lack of police, excessive bureocracy and lack of political change due to an entrenched political class. Ireland, it's only doing well for some and only in the surface. Corrupt to an unbelievable degree if you actually see it up close, and not through layers of numbers and "process".

turbo_fart 3y ago
Ireland is doing well directly because of extremely clever biz Dev Irish people who made Ireland top tech and biotech centre in the entire world.
- nikhilsimha 3y ago
  /s in the end? (genuine question)
  - andrepd 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure. They're poking fun at people who see the billions in tax dodge BEPS schemes included in Ireland GDP and think it has any bearing in reality.
- skyyler 3y ago
  the point is that this is only benefiting those that already have money A bunch of foreigners showing up to pay more than you can for rent is not a good thing.
  - qaq 3y ago
    Ireland has pretty good education system while there are certainly immigrants a large % of positions is actually occupied by people born in Ireland.
qaq 3y ago
I lived in Ireland for 4 years can't say I share your sentiment
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  Great arguments. I'm convinced.
  - qaq 3y ago
    I have a personal experiences which granted might not be much, but it certainly beats just making things up.
closewith 3y ago
> Ireland is doing well as a country in GDP terms (ignoring debt) but the people in the mid and lower tiers don't necessarily do well at all. Compared to what? Certainly not the Ireland of 25 years ago. > It's increasingly classist and it has bad and inefficient healthcare, lack of police, excessive bureocracy and lack of political change due to an entrenched political class. The only country in the EU where wealth inequality is decreasing, which has a struggling healthcare system but world-class outcomes, once of the least bureaucratic countries in the world, and which has a stable democracy which is about to undergo a completely peaceful transfer of power when Sinn Féin comes into power following the next election. I can only say that if you believe what you've written about Ireland, you simply don't have the perspective to comment on this.
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  Compared to today. Compared to 5 years ago. Compared to 15 years ago. Citation needed and the "peaceful transition" is laughable as a selling point. Is the bar so low? Lol. It'll be grand land has yet another defender that wants people to not rock the boat and attacks anyone who showcases how backwards thing are. Talk to a real person and not one who has their life easily laid out... Perspective, huh? Shame on your disingenuous response.
  - closewith 3y ago
    > Compared to today. Compared to 5 years ago. Compared to 15 years ago. So your contention is that Ireland hasn't improved since 2018 or 2003? For almost everyone in almost every category, that is not true. > Citation needed and the "peaceful transition" is laughable as a selling point. Is the bar so low? Lol. No, the bar is very high as Ireland is one of the top tier countries in the world to live by almost any measure. That was a direct response to your claim of a "lack of political change due to an entrenched political class", which is patently untrue in Ireland. > It'll be grand land has yet another defender that wants people to not rock the boat and attacks anyone who showcases how backwards thing are. Ireland is certainly not perfect. I work in the medical field and am constantly frustrated at the medical and social services. However, I've also worked around the world and know that while Ireland is in fact an outlier, it's a positive outlier compared to even the developed world. > Talk to a real person and not one who has their life easily laid out... I do, daily, and not only online. The kind of disingenuous negativity you hold is not common. > Perspective, huh? Shame on your disingenuous response. The irony is palpable. Luckily those of us working to improve the country aren't discouraged by those on the sidelines offering only empty critiques.
anonymousDan 3y ago
This is just... nonsense. You need to get around a bit more if you don't think the quality of life in Ireland is high in comparison to most places in the world.