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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Explanations_for_racial_discrepancies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_Unit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Explanations_for_racial_discrepancies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_S... Explanations for racial discrepancies include: - Discrimination by law enforcement - Childhood exposure to violence - Inability to post bail - Socioeconomic factors - Housing segregation - Sociocultural factors This is pretty well-known stuff. Please educate yourself.

askin4it 3y ago
You forgot something. Also you look foolish telling people to educate themselves on Wikipedia ( - Discrimination by law enforcement OR - Childhood exposure to violence OR - Inability to post bail OR - Socioeconomic factors OR - Housing segregation OR - Sociocultural factors ) AND (bad personal choices)
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  I look foolish for telling people to begin their research on a common, well-established public encyclopedia? Do you seriously not understand that each of these issues lead to bad personal choices? Your comment does not seem to be made in good faith, and this is the sort of mentality that we as a society need to eradicate.
  - askin4it 3y ago
    People have agency. Just like now when you used your agency and called for my eradication. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the future. Of course, I won't be around to enjoy it with you, but this guy seems like great company, so enjoy.
    - soulofmischief 3y ago
      Are you so sheltered that you cannot draw a link between one's environment & upbringing, and impaired agency?
- partitioned 3y ago
  Libertarian comment that blames every effect on individual agency. A canon event.
jtdev 3y ago
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kingofkyiv 3y ago
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zmgsabst 3y ago
None of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality. They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens. Also, that discrepancies in outcomes are caused by differences in behavior between groups isnt “well known” — and is even lied about in the US media.
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  > None of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality. > They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens This is an extremely tautological statement, unless you misspoke.
  - t-3 3y ago
    It's not a tautology, it's a feedback loop. If a group has or is perceived to have a higher rate of criminality, they will be treated in ways which reinforce criminal tendencies and promote more criminal behavior. A "self-fulfilling prophecy", if you will.
  - zmgsabst 3y ago
    That’s not a tautology: understanding the root cause of a problem is necessary to implement a beneficial response. In this particular case, we need to intervene at the cultural, familial, etc levels rather than harassing police for responding to crime as it happens — or blaming them for treating groups disproportionately when those groups act disproportionately. “De-policing” stems from ignorance (or intentional denial) of that root cause, and thus amounts to blaming the police/courts/etc for doing their job — stopping crime.
    - soulofmischief 3y ago
      I never made any comments about de-policing, that is a projection on your part. I have personally witnessed extreme police racism growing up in a small town. I have personally been illegally harassed by police and an entire corrupt court system, illegally charged with a crime I did not commit, and was refused a chance to appeal because my lawyer was worried the judge would be mad at her for not playing along. I was given the maximum possible jail sentence of 6 months on my first criminal offense for a crime I didn't commit. And this happens every day, disproportionately to particular demographics. You have no idea what you are talking about.
lakpan 3y ago
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- soulofmischief 3y ago
  Which facts are those?
  - lakpan 3y ago
    > White 44% Black 43% Unknown 10% From the FBI’s website.
    - soulofmischief 3y ago
      Where did I "downplay" this statistic?
      - lakpan 3y ago
        You (or others) downvoted the comment and you invited the commenter to “educate themselves”, as to say they just told BS.
carstenhag 3y ago
I hope no one is arguing with "a person's skin color influences how much criminal energy they get born with". With your cited explanations, it seems to be easy to generalise and say "a black person that I meet will be more criminal than the next white person that I meet", just because of the reasons you listed, except for law enforcement & the bail thing. Which also seems wrong to me.
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  The best way to interpret the data is to be conscious of the fact that individuals you interact with or cast judgement upon might not be dealing with nearly the same world that you deal with. That they may be more predisposed to certain negative outcomes. It is too easy to take this for granted. I'm not black but I can list several factors that contribute to my own such predispositions, such as having drug addicted parents who were not present in my life, living with extremely abusive, cultist guardians, being homeless at 16, etc. The fact of life is that we must recognize these probabilities if we have any hope of improving our own conditions, or the conditions of others.
  - jtdev 3y ago
    “Sorry that you were violently attacked, but please consider the socioeconomic factors.”
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      "What are you doing about the socioeconomic factors then?" "Can't afford it, have to send billions to Israel and Ukraine."
      - plagiarist 3y ago
        How disingenuous! The people trying to do something about socioeconomic factors are blocked from doing anything of significance by the same people apoplectic over aid to Ukraine. More correctly: "sorry, we have to give billions of dollars in handouts to the wealthy instead."
trident5000 3y ago
Oh boy, here we go. The endless excuses. Excuses instead of accountability just perpetuates situations like this and actually prevents any change.
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  Please, enlighten me on the solution instead of complaining.
YiraldyGuber 3y ago
Have you ever stopped to consider how unlikely it would be that tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution, resulting in all manner of visible, tangible and quantifiable differences between the races, could somehow magically have absolutely no effect on anything beyond the superficial? That is an extraordinary claim. Especially when we have so much data that confirms, rather than dispels, this inevitability.

askin4it 3y ago

You forgot something. Also you look foolish telling people to educate themselves on Wikipedia ( - Discrimination by law enforcement OR - Childhood exposure to violence OR - Inability to post bail OR - Socioeconomic factors OR - Housing segregation OR - Sociocultural factors ) AND (bad personal choices)

soulofmischief 3y ago
I look foolish for telling people to begin their research on a common, well-established public encyclopedia? Do you seriously not understand that each of these issues lead to bad personal choices? Your comment does not seem to be made in good faith, and this is the sort of mentality that we as a society need to eradicate.
- askin4it 3y ago
  People have agency. Just like now when you used your agency and called for my eradication. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the future. Of course, I won't be around to enjoy it with you, but this guy seems like great company, so enjoy.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    Are you so sheltered that you cannot draw a link between one's environment & upbringing, and impaired agency?
partitioned 3y ago
Libertarian comment that blames every effect on individual agency. A canon event.

jtdev 3y ago

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kingofkyiv 3y ago

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zmgsabst 3y ago

None of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality. They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens. Also, that discrepancies in outcomes are caused by differences in behavior between groups isnt “well known” — and is even lied about in the US media.

soulofmischief 3y ago
> None of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality. > They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens This is an extremely tautological statement, unless you misspoke.
- t-3 3y ago
  It's not a tautology, it's a feedback loop. If a group has or is perceived to have a higher rate of criminality, they will be treated in ways which reinforce criminal tendencies and promote more criminal behavior. A "self-fulfilling prophecy", if you will.
- zmgsabst 3y ago
  That’s not a tautology: understanding the root cause of a problem is necessary to implement a beneficial response. In this particular case, we need to intervene at the cultural, familial, etc levels rather than harassing police for responding to crime as it happens — or blaming them for treating groups disproportionately when those groups act disproportionately. “De-policing” stems from ignorance (or intentional denial) of that root cause, and thus amounts to blaming the police/courts/etc for doing their job — stopping crime.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    I never made any comments about de-policing, that is a projection on your part. I have personally witnessed extreme police racism growing up in a small town. I have personally been illegally harassed by police and an entire corrupt court system, illegally charged with a crime I did not commit, and was refused a chance to appeal because my lawyer was worried the judge would be mad at her for not playing along. I was given the maximum possible jail sentence of 6 months on my first criminal offense for a crime I didn't commit. And this happens every day, disproportionately to particular demographics. You have no idea what you are talking about.

lakpan 3y ago

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soulofmischief 3y ago
Which facts are those?
- lakpan 3y ago
  > White 44% Black 43% Unknown 10% From the FBI’s website.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    Where did I "downplay" this statistic?
    - lakpan 3y ago
      You (or others) downvoted the comment and you invited the commenter to “educate themselves”, as to say they just told BS.

carstenhag 3y ago

I hope no one is arguing with "a person's skin color influences how much criminal energy they get born with". With your cited explanations, it seems to be easy to generalise and say "a black person that I meet will be more criminal than the next white person that I meet", just because of the reasons you listed, except for law enforcement & the bail thing. Which also seems wrong to me.

soulofmischief 3y ago
The best way to interpret the data is to be conscious of the fact that individuals you interact with or cast judgement upon might not be dealing with nearly the same world that you deal with. That they may be more predisposed to certain negative outcomes. It is too easy to take this for granted. I'm not black but I can list several factors that contribute to my own such predispositions, such as having drug addicted parents who were not present in my life, living with extremely abusive, cultist guardians, being homeless at 16, etc. The fact of life is that we must recognize these probabilities if we have any hope of improving our own conditions, or the conditions of others.
- jtdev 3y ago
  “Sorry that you were violently attacked, but please consider the socioeconomic factors.”
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    "What are you doing about the socioeconomic factors then?" "Can't afford it, have to send billions to Israel and Ukraine."
    - plagiarist 3y ago
      How disingenuous! The people trying to do something about socioeconomic factors are blocked from doing anything of significance by the same people apoplectic over aid to Ukraine. More correctly: "sorry, we have to give billions of dollars in handouts to the wealthy instead."

trident5000 3y ago

Oh boy, here we go. The endless excuses. Excuses instead of accountability just perpetuates situations like this and actually prevents any change.

soulofmischief 3y ago
Please, enlighten me on the solution instead of complaining.

YiraldyGuber 3y ago

Have you ever stopped to consider how unlikely it would be that tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution, resulting in all manner of visible, tangible and quantifiable differences between the races, could somehow magically have absolutely no effect on anything beyond the superficial? That is an extraordinary claim. Especially when we have so much data that confirms, rather than dispels, this inevitability.