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At $10/month, ChatGPT-4 is reasonable. At $20, that's a no no!
by retskrad 3y ago
At $10/month, ChatGPT-4 is reasonable. At $20, that's a no no!
- gmuslera 3y agoThe value it haves for you may exceed or not its price. But "you" is an important part of that equation.
- gumballindie 3y agoWhat value does a procedural text generator provide?
- TeMPOraL 3y agoDepends on where it sits on a spectrum between, say, a dumb Markov chain, and a human like you and me. GPT-4 is definitely closer to the latter than to the former.
- throw_pm23 3y agoYes, but what do you use it for?
- gumballindie 3y ago> GPT-4 is definitely closer to the latter than to the former. That’s a seriously dubious statement.
- speedgoose 3y agoIf you think about how people use and perceive the technology, it’s not that dubious.
- MattRix 3y agoHave you used it? A GPT4 chatbot could convince 90% of people it was a human, right now. It could pass the majority of knowledge-based tests in all kinds of fields. 100 million people find it useful enough to use weekly.
- martindbp 3y agoNo level of capability is enough to convince some people it's not just a stochastic parrot. You're completely right on the Turing test. At this point it's just a matter of how long it could fool us. You have to remember it's not specifically trained to fool us either, it's trained through RLHF to be verbose and "helpful". If you train it right and add in some RAG (vector databases) I think you could fool most people for a pretty long time, some gullible people forever.
- gumballindie 3y agoIt could convince 90% of the people that are ready and willing to think it was human. Even when it does, it's only a piece of software designed specifically to emulate, therefore it's fake. Regardless of how much people want to claim it is intelligent, it's not. Sure it has load of data at its dispoal to generate well mimicked output, but to some of us it's so obvious and buggy that it's a waste of time.
- ben_w 3y agoIf it is convincing most people, then surely by definition it's closer to us than to a Markov chain.
- HKH2 3y agoI don't work in tech and I use LLaMa. It is great for writing overviews of a subject which I use to make sure I have most of my bases covered (and helping me see which of my ideas are more original), getting more examples, along with other creative tasks. Getting it to compare two subjects to see what they have in common is usually quite helpful.
- gumballindie 3y agoThe issue is i tried using these types of tools for a while and each response is inaccurate. It becomes annoying to constantly ask it to correct it or having to doubt the output. Works well for what is statistically likely to be abundant in information but you know that’s usually of little value.
- HKH2 3y agoI use them for brainstorming. I get such great ideas, I don't mind if they miss now and then. Information can be abundant yet hidden in obtuse or misleading writing. LLMs produce writing that is quite accessible.
- MattRix 3y agoI’m a little perplexed at why you feel the need to refer to it in reductionist terms like this? It seems to provide a lot of value considering that it has 100 million weekly active users. I regularly find myself using it a dozen times a day. I feel like the only reason someone wouldn’t find it useful is if they weren’t ever doing anything new.
- gumballindie 3y agoLoads of useless products have hundreds of millions of users. Threads, Twitter, Facebook, and so on. Just spamming forums to promote this product wont increase its utility.
- MattRix 3y agoNone of the things you mentioned are useless. Perhaps you‘re just being needlessly critical? Or is this just a form of trolling?
- Turing_Machine 3y agoWhy do you get make the decisions about what other people find useful?
- ben_w 3y agoIt can be an infinitely patient teacher for physics and German, that never gets frustrated by me getting the conjugations wrong or having whacky ideas like getting lift from plasma held in a magnetic field. It can write boring code, like the OpenStreetMap query to find all supermarkets within 50x50km of Berlin. It can do code and literature reviews of my solo projects and stories. It can take a list of ingredients and suggest things I can cook with them, and unlike "real" recipe websites it can do this without telling me how their grandmother used to comfort them with this on a beautiful autumn weekend, when… [1000 words and four ad breaks later] … and then when the website actually gets to the recipe it turns out to be unsuitable anyway. It can write form letters It can help role-play difficult real-life scenarios. - I don't expect perfection in any of these things. If it was perfect, us software developers would already be redundant, as would all the lawyers, the accountants, and anyone else whose job can be reduced to images and words.
- hhh 3y agowhy?
- terhechte 3y agoI use it usually 10-20 times per day. 5-10 when I'm not working and like 20-30 when I'm working. It saves me a huge amount of time. It would already make sense at a wage of $20 but I earn more and so it is so much worth it. Even if I earn no wage (say a indie dev working on a game) it would still be useful because I save time which I can invest in other things (or play video games). I'd honestly pay $50-$100 for it as it saves me so much time and gives me so much value.
- gumballindie 3y agoWhy are reddit and forums full of people asking how to make chatgpt code work, and are always downvoted?
- danielvaughn 3y agoI think it's because AI is a crutch for junior engineers, and a rocket for senior engineers. It takes some degree of wisdom to know how to use it effectively, and the idea that you're going to lean entirely on it to make your program work is...misguided at best.
- iot_devs 3y agoWhat do you use it for?
- martindbp 3y agoI went for a walk and had a conversation about Rademacher complexity and VC-dimension of a classifier, then I asked it to quiz my understanding based on what we talked about. It's almost at the level on "Her" but you have a very knowledgeable tutor to ask who won't judge and is always available.
- apwell23 3y agoThats a pretty neat use of chatgpt. My sister is prepping for USMLE. Wonder if she can do something like this too.
- zarzavat 3y agoYou have to consider costs. If it costs them $15/month to provide the service (just a made up number) then $10/month would not be reasonable. The Plus users also subsidize the Free users to a certain extent. The other effect at work here is anchoring. OpenAI wants people to be prepared to pay more for AI. Setting a higher price anchors that price in people’s minds and makes it feel normal. This will serve them better in the future since the long-term objective is to provide services that replace employees, who are surely paid more than $20/month.
- somewhereoutth 3y agoBut therein lies the crucial question, does the actual business value of the service exceed the costs of running the service + reasonable profit margin? If not, then no amount of anchoring will help.
- raincole 3y agoNah, you have to consider how much time it saves for you. If your rate is $30/hr and ChatGPT saves you 1 hours per month more than free alternatives then why not? Cost is their business, not yours (unless you're a competitor to them).
- TeMPOraL 3y agoEven now that it has image generation via DALL-E 3, image comprehension via GPT-4V, and the Android app can hold a voice conversation with you, with unprecedented voice recognition accuracy?
- apwell23 3y agowhat would a ordinary person use all these for beyond curiosities? I pay for but i only use it handful of times after i remind myself to use it .
- chpatrick 3y agoWhen you have a question, there's no answer on Google and you don't know who else to ask.
- apwell23 3y agowhat an example of a question only chatgpt knows ?
- chpatrick 3y agoObscure command-line invocations, some specialist topic that's not discussed much online. Usually I Google something first and if I can't see any straightforward answer in a couple of minutes I'll ask ChatGPT. For example I don't know much about electronics so I asked it how design a circuit for a problem I had and it came up with a useful answer.
- mmasu 3y agofor me it’s really worth it, and use it as a starting point rather than spending time sifting through garbage google results. I am using it to study math, to ask about css frameworks, about api best practices, SQL dialects, and so many more things. Then i can drill in and go to source documents if I want to. It took me a while to see the value, however now i feel i have a “generalist” assistant and use it as much as i can.
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- unsupp0rted 3y agoFor me it’s a steal at 5x the price. Maybe 10x.
- op00to 3y agoNot until they stop training on my conversations.
- blharr 3y agoAccording to them, "We do not train on your data from ChatGPT Enterprise or our API Platform" https://openai.com/enterprise-privacy https://openai.com/enterprise-privacy Though I'm not sure if this covers other analysis of the data, or if it's something only for Enterprise API users.
- op00to 3y agoI use the API now, but I have to maintain my own "Chat" instance. I'd love to be able to just pay $20, but also keep my history. Right now I'm spending less than $10 a month on GPT-4 API costs, so maybe I don't need to upgrade.
- thejackgoode 3y agoI cannot get used to American custom of advertising gross and charging net prices. It's 24.20 and would be nice to discuss it as such