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FBI Crime Data Explorer
- Bostonian 3y ago[flagged]
- soulofmischief 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Explanations_for_racial_discrepancies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_S... Explanations for racial discrepancies include: - Discrimination by law enforcement - Childhood exposure to violence - Inability to post bail - Socioeconomic factors - Housing segregation - Sociocultural factors This is pretty well-known stuff. Please educate yourself.
- askin4it 3y agoYou forgot something. Also you look foolish telling people to educate themselves on Wikipedia ( - Discrimination by law enforcement OR - Childhood exposure to violence OR - Inability to post bail OR - Socioeconomic factors OR - Housing segregation OR - Sociocultural factors ) AND (bad personal choices)
- soulofmischief 3y agoI look foolish for telling people to begin their research on a common, well-established public encyclopedia? Do you seriously not understand that each of these issues lead to bad personal choices? Your comment does not seem to be made in good faith, and this is the sort of mentality that we as a society need to eradicate.
- askin4it 3y agoPeople have agency. Just like now when you used your agency and called for my eradication. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the future. Of course, I won't be around to enjoy it with you, but this guy seems like great company, so enjoy.
- soulofmischief 3y agoAre you so sheltered that you cannot draw a link between one's environment & upbringing, and impaired agency?
- partitioned 3y agoLibertarian comment that blames every effect on individual agency. A canon event.
- jtdev 3y ago[dead]
- kingofkyiv 3y ago[dead]
- zmgsabst 3y agoNone of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality. They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens. Also, that discrepancies in outcomes are caused by differences in behavior between groups isnt “well known” — and is even lied about in the US media.
- soulofmischief 3y ago> None of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality. > They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens This is an extremely tautological statement, unless you misspoke.
- t-3 3y agoIt's not a tautology, it's a feedback loop. If a group has or is perceived to have a higher rate of criminality, they will be treated in ways which reinforce criminal tendencies and promote more criminal behavior. A "self-fulfilling prophecy", if you will.
- zmgsabst 3y agoThat’s not a tautology: understanding the root cause of a problem is necessary to implement a beneficial response. In this particular case, we need to intervene at the cultural, familial, etc levels rather than harassing police for responding to crime as it happens — or blaming them for treating groups disproportionately when those groups act disproportionately. “De-policing” stems from ignorance (or intentional denial) of that root cause, and thus amounts to blaming the police/courts/etc for doing their job — stopping crime.
- soulofmischief 3y agoI never made any comments about de-policing, that is a projection on your part. I have personally witnessed extreme police racism growing up in a small town. I have personally been illegally harassed by police and an entire corrupt court system, illegally charged with a crime I did not commit, and was refused a chance to appeal because my lawyer was worried the judge would be mad at her for not playing along. I was given the maximum possible jail sentence of 6 months on my first criminal offense for a crime I didn't commit. And this happens every day, disproportionately to particular demographics. You have no idea what you are talking about.
- lakpan 3y ago[flagged]
- soulofmischief 3y agoWhich facts are those?
- lakpan 3y ago> White 44% Black 43% Unknown 10% From the FBI’s website.
- soulofmischief 3y agoWhere did I "downplay" this statistic?
- lakpan 3y agoYou (or others) downvoted the comment and you invited the commenter to “educate themselves”, as to say they just told BS.
- carstenhag 3y agoI hope no one is arguing with "a person's skin color influences how much criminal energy they get born with". With your cited explanations, it seems to be easy to generalise and say "a black person that I meet will be more criminal than the next white person that I meet", just because of the reasons you listed, except for law enforcement & the bail thing. Which also seems wrong to me.
- soulofmischief 3y agoThe best way to interpret the data is to be conscious of the fact that individuals you interact with or cast judgement upon might not be dealing with nearly the same world that you deal with. That they may be more predisposed to certain negative outcomes. It is too easy to take this for granted. I'm not black but I can list several factors that contribute to my own such predispositions, such as having drug addicted parents who were not present in my life, living with extremely abusive, cultist guardians, being homeless at 16, etc. The fact of life is that we must recognize these probabilities if we have any hope of improving our own conditions, or the conditions of others.
- jtdev 3y ago“Sorry that you were violently attacked, but please consider the socioeconomic factors.”
- willcipriano 3y ago"What are you doing about the socioeconomic factors then?" "Can't afford it, have to send billions to Israel and Ukraine."
- plagiarist 3y agoHow disingenuous! The people trying to do something about socioeconomic factors are blocked from doing anything of significance by the same people apoplectic over aid to Ukraine. More correctly: "sorry, we have to give billions of dollars in handouts to the wealthy instead."
- trident5000 3y agoOh boy, here we go. The endless excuses. Excuses instead of accountability just perpetuates situations like this and actually prevents any change.
- soulofmischief 3y agoPlease, enlighten me on the solution instead of complaining.
- YiraldyGuber 3y agoHave you ever stopped to consider how unlikely it would be that tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution, resulting in all manner of visible, tangible and quantifiable differences between the races, could somehow magically have absolutely no effect on anything beyond the superficial? That is an extraordinary claim. Especially when we have so much data that confirms, rather than dispels, this inevitability.
- plagiarist 3y agoDid you know something like less than 50% of violent crimes are solved? You're making the racist assertions with not even half the data.
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- jmyeet 3y agoLet's assume good intent here. Whether you realize it or not, you've basically derived the 1350 racist symbol [1]. But I want you to think about something in case this wasn't an intentionally racist statement: if the black population is overrepresented in crime statistics ask yourself why. The answer will fall into one of two buckets: 1. Intrinsic factors. This includes "culture", which is just a very thin veneer on racism. Believing any of these is just racism whether you realize it or not; or 2. Extrinsic factors: this is something in the environment, something external to the people involved. A big one here is socioeconomic status (ie poverty). The link between poverty and crime and has been known for thousands of years. Aristotle wrote "Poverty is the parent of crime". [1]: https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1352-1390 https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1352-1390
- dang 3y agoPlease stop taking HN threads on generic flamewar tangents. You've done it repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y agoJust a reminder: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- milkcatfeet 3y ago[flagged]
- skilled 3y agoJust because some people can’t help themselves to make this about race, the submission has to be flagged into oblivion? The site is quite good and with easy to navigate graphs. Definitely throwing it in my bookmarks in case I ever write on the subject. Thanks!
- LargeTomato 3y agoWith respect, I do not see why FBI crime statistics are considered racist. It is because it is a part of the US government? There are many things people are mad at the US. Ukraine conflict, Israel conflict, etc. I wonder if people are flagging because it is US government adjacent.
- Levitz 3y ago>With respect, I do not see why FBI crime statistics are considered racist. It is because it is a part of the US government? Because this data requires serious, responsible and honest engagement, and it's tempting to use it to confirm biases. Allow me to make a parallelism stepping aside from controversial topics. Imagine we had graphs of discovered vulnerabilities in closed source and open source software. It wouldn't surprise me if the amount of vulnerabilities discovered in open source software was way higher than those of closed source software. At first glance this may paint a terrible picture of open source, yet, if you actually engage with the subject, you would find out that the reason as to why this happens is that those vulnerabilities are found out, while they stay hidden in closed source. Yet anyone not willing to dig in that deep could point out and claim "See? Open software is terrible!" In the same way, you can look at crime statistics by race and claim that black people in the US are terrible. This requires ignoring socioeconomic status and a whole lot of other factors, but it's really easy to ignore those and it's really easy to just point at a graph. The data is not the problem. The way people engage with the data might very well be, this is a complex and delicate matter and it is my hope it can be dealt with in the way it deserves. ...Not that it has to be dealt with here, really, the website is pretty damn nice.
- maldev 3y ago
- oshout 3y agoData is submitted voluntarily - I'm curious how thorough the submitted data is and which jurisdictions opt not to report. I imagine it's not in the interest of public officials to submit data which weakens their authority, undermines or invalidates their positions - and that opposite holds true too. The data seems less than substantial because it's not thorough nor potentially accurate, even when collected. Perhaps there's substance in comparing data here to data elsewhere to highlight official intent. It's neat they have a public-facing API.