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Cybertruck buyers forbidden from selling for the first year
- AndrewKemendo 3y agoFine I’ll rent mine out for rides for a year first Easy
- 7e 3y agoTranslation: Tesla thinks the quality of the Cybertruck is going to be terrible.
- machdiamonds 3y agoActual translation: Tesla doesn't want people scalping their cars, and are using a technique many other manufacturers do.
- tamimio 3y agoUS laws are controlled by and made for the corps.
- binary132 3y agoProbably aimed mostly at scalpers.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y agoDo other manufacturers try to restrict resale https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a45429246/porsche-to-fight-911-st-flippers-with-leasing/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a45429246/porsche-to-fight... https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a44491972/rolls-royce-has-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-spectre-resellers/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a44491972/rolls-royce-has-... https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a40756702/gm-to-limit-warranties-and-ban-buyers-to-combat-z06-and-hummer-ev-flipping/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a40756702/gm-to-limit-warr...
- glitchc 3y agoTesla is probably simply trying to eliminate scalping. One per customer and no reselling is a common way to do so. I'm quite far from Tesla fanboyism, but this seems reasonable to me.
- uptown 3y agoDo you not feel that you own the things you buy?
- gpm 3y agoI feel like I can buy things while agreeing to a contract that constrains what I do with them. Don't you?
- huytersd 3y agoAbsolutely not.
- JohnFen 3y agoYou can, but then you don't actually own the thing.
- sbuttgereit 3y agoFar too simplistic a sentiment. Try buying real estate, even something simple like residential. The last home I bought was 1) part of an HOA with a full set of restrictions and responsibilities; 2) the sales contract explicitly excluded mineral rights.... existing in a neighborhood which was known to have commercially viable oil reserves under the ground this wasn't surprising; and 3) had any number of easements for things like utility access and the like. And I assure you, other than the mineral rights exclusion which I did not own, we were in all ways treated by the law as owners. Absolutely others had certain rights which I agreed to at the time of sale: but ultimately I was the owner and if push came to shove I'd be treated as such by the law. My currently place isn't so dissimilar... save for any mention of mineral rights... though there are even more complex arrangements of common property co-operative ownership and management as I now live in a townhouse, in a complex of townhouses, built partially above a retail property.
- mike_d 3y agoThis is another situation where you can put anything you want in a contract, even if it is blatantly unenforceable. This is why contracts have severability clauses.
- xeromal 3y agoThere's no legal recourse for them but they can 100% prevent you from buying a new Tesla ever again.
- asylteltine 3y agoThat’s fine. I would never buy one in the first place
- krasin 3y ago> they can 100% prevent you from buying a new Tesla ever again. Probably in the US. In some other countries, it's illegal to refuse a sale, if you're a store (online or offline). A buyer comes, a sale happens.
- xeromal 3y agoYeah, in the US you can be refused service unless you're protected class.
- krasin 3y agoI sincerely hope that the US will eventually recognize that everyone is a protected class. :)
- lamontcg 3y agoYeah, rich assholes have really been missing out, they're so crippled by their lack of empathy and unfair inheritance of wealth and position, people should understand how hard they've had it.
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- gpm 3y agoHuh, interesting. I feel like there are three parts to this: - You can't sell unless Tesla agrees you can, this seems unreasonable. - Tesla has a sort of right of first refusal on sales, at a pre-defined selling price, this seems like an interesting/reasonable attempt at preventing scalping. - The defined selling price is your purchase price less $0.25/mile, less wear and tear, less cost to repair the vehicle to "Tesla's Used Vehicle Cosmetic and Mechanical Standards". This seems to be unreasonably double dipping on deprecation.
- cameldrv 3y agoThere's a fourth part: "If Tesla declines to purchase your Vehicle, you may then resell your Vehicle to a third party only after receiving written consent from Tesla." You are simply not allowed to sell the vehicle you "purchased" from them without their permission.
- dragonwriter 3y agoThat's literally the first part of the description you responded to, not an additional fourth part.
- cameldrv 3y agoThere are four acts to the clause. It says first that you can't sell it, however, if you do want to sell it, Tesla has right of first refusal, but then the right of first refusal turns into a prohibition on sale again at the end.
- tag_ur_it 3y agoFWIW this isn’t totally unprecedented among exotic cars — Ferrari has / had slightly different wording but largely the same impact in their Right of Refusal docs, a quick google reveals others finding similar clauses with different exotic car brands. Maybe Tesla expects a limited run and speculation. Makes no sense for a volume car.
- xwdv 3y agoThis is pretty common with supercars, there’s a “right of first refusal” where if you want to sell in the first year, you can only sell to the dealer. Usually though it’s not enforceable aside from threats of blacklisting you from being able to order new vehicles. In practice I’m not sure how true that actually is if you have deep pockets. The only interesting thing about Tesla doing this is that not only could they blacklist you, but they could blacklist the vehicle too to prevent it from getting service or even software updates, discouraging any buyers from buying it. Maybe ban it from superchargers. Tesla is very petty. Perhaps this will become common practice as cars get more connected to central services.
- averageRoyalty 3y ago> The only interesting thing about Tesla doing this is that not only could they blacklist you, but they could blacklist the vehicle too to prevent it from getting service or even software updates, discouraging any buyers from buying it. This would be illegal in Australia and many other countries. The ACCC wouldn't flinch in banning Tesla from the country. If you can't say the same about your country, you should lobby for better consumer laws.
- KRAKRISMOTT 3y agoSo what's Lina Khan waiting for? They need to regulate charging networks as common infrastructure and prevent Tesla owners from being backlisted for any reason. When you buy a Tesla, there's an expectation that you can use their charging network, even if you are in a lawsuit with them or breached a contract.
- chihuahua 3y agoTesla could even brick vehicles on a whim. For example, if the vehicle's owner didn't like one of Elmo's tweets. It would seem entirely in character for Tesla. You can try to fight it in court, but that will take months, and your car is bricked in the meantime. Even if the court rules in your favor, Elmo can just ignore that, and your car remains bricked for years. Try to sell the car? Can't, it's bricked.
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- _heimdall 3y agoI can't decide if this feels like an attempt to prevent scalping or anticompetitive behavior. Once I'm an owner interested in selling I become a competitor to Tesla. Contractually preventing me from selling locks everyone but Tesla out of the market.
- Voultapher 3y agoWhy not both?
- _heimdall 3y agoI didn't mean to make it exclusive, at the time I was seeing most comments here assuming its just a move against market scalping
- dylan604 3y agoI've had really expensive software that the sales agreement reads very similar in that it stipulates that if you get to the point of wanting to sell the software, the developer gets right of first refusal to buy it back. They were so protective of the price of the software, they did not want it dinged by being sold on eBay type of situations.
- seattle_spring 3y agoGood. A bunch of scalping dickheads scooped up a lot of the early Rivians and resold them for twice as much.
- chihuahua 3y agoI keep seeing Rivians for sale on FB Marketplace for $100k+, with low miles. I thought it was just dickheads who overspent on a vehicle that turned out to be not very useful. Now it seems it's just poorly disguised scalping? I do not understand the obsession with waitlisted electric vehicles.
- dpierce9 3y agoRivian made scalping extra valuable by freezing the price for early reservation holders and raising the price for later reservation holders. Further, vehicles purchased in 2022 may qualify for a tax break while most ‘23 Rivian purchased will be priced out (even if their buyers are not). These are stacked on whatever scalping premium exists.
- no1groyp 3y agoIt’s to prevent markups from scalpers