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Does this man ever worked with photoshop? What is he talking about? Of course there is a menu, just like in PS. Of course it is overwhelming at first. The bigge

Does this man ever worked with photoshop? What is he talking about? Of course there is a menu, just like in PS. Of course it is overwhelming at first. The biggest reasont most of the UI/UX sucks, because those who create the program never actually use it day by day. So easy. Use your own program and whenever you get frustrated it shows you that you have done something wrong or awkward and it needs adjustment. Another important thing is to drop the "this must look and feel different than photoshop" stance (more vs less) and it will be a-ok. And don't be afraid to borrow things from the bigheaded ones if that works well. Krita and Gimp's biggest issue is that most of the tools are implemented in a non intuitive way. Everything is a disorganized mess. And since PS doesn't run under linux, this gets on my nerves. For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio... WHYYY? And why does the crop tool forgets the previous size values? Little things like these show that the creators NEVER EVER use their own fucking program.

prokoudine 3y ago
> Does this man ever worked with photoshop? What is he talking about? Of course there is a menu, just like in PS. I'm the OP and for the life of me I can't figure out what you are talking about. Seems like you are conflating GIMP and Photoshop and reading the post as if it suggested that either GIMP or Photoshop don't have a menu, which is absurd — there was no such claim. > Another important thing is to drop the "this must look and feel different than photoshop" stance There has never been such a stance in the first place. As far as I can recall (which is about 20 years back), the stance has always been "please explain why your proposed change is good, don't hide behind "because this is how Photoshop does it", it's lazy".
foobiekr 3y ago
I think that’s right. Every time I go look at it I just marvel at how awful it is, like an alien designing photo editing software by looking at some screen shots and feature lists but never editing a single image. Compare with Affinity’s software - they are more consistent than present day Adobe but copied all the good, same as Adobe did with Quantel.
cycomanic 3y ago
> Krita and Gimp's biggest issue is that most of the tools are implemented in a non intuitive way. Everything is a disorganized mess. And since PS doesn't run under linux, this gets on my nerves. Do you mean non intuitive or just not the same as PS. 99% of complaints I see about GUIs (most commonly OSS ones, because people are less likely to criticise choices where they invested money) are that they do not function like another piece of software. > For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio... WHYYY? And why does the crop tool forgets the previous size values? Little things like these show that the creators NEVER EVER use their own fucking program. Are you sure? IIRC you just hold down the ctrl key while dragging to preserve aspect. Do I remember wrong?
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  I started with “serious” image editors on Paintshop Pro, not Photoshop, and have used Gimp several times as much as I’ve used Photoshop. Gun to my head, have to do some unknown-in-advance image editing task, I get to pick the software, but can’t look anything up, I die if it takes far too long? I’d pick Photoshop. I might survive with PS. Near-certainty I’m dead with the Gimp, hell I might be dead with Gimp even if the task is incredibly simple. It’s not that it isn’t like PS, it’s that it’s UI gibberish.
- lofaszvanitt 3y ago
  Try editing 10 images in a row with Krita and you'll see the issues right away. Layer handling, selection handling and tool placement is cumbersome, to put it mildly. Maybe invite someone who has extensive experience working with photoshop and watch how often he starts to curse or ask for help and whether he uses the gun to shoot himself in the head. Then change things accordingly, if the creators don't use their own program... I worked with Gimp ~ 1 year ago, not touching that again until I feel the need to flagellate myself.
  - zelphirkalt 3y ago
    Not saying you are necessarily wrong about Gimp possibly being able to copy some of the good ideas from Photoshop. However, you basically confirmed what the GP said. If you suggest to put your usual Photoshop user in front of Gimp, without prior experience, then they are bound to walk into unexpected design decisions. Just like a Gimp user would, trying to find things in Photoshop.
avhon1 3y ago
> For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio I've never used Krita, but I was skeptical that it can't do this, so I just now installed it and gave it a try. It does have this feature! I made a crop rectangle, then right-clicked on it. A little menu popped up, titled "Crop Tool Actions". One of the things in the menu is a checkbox labeled "Lock Ratio", which was unchecked by default. I clicked the checkbox, and then I could resize the crop rectangle with the mouse without changing its aspect ratio. Took me under a minute to figure out, having never used the software before or read any documentation. I'd say that's one sign of a decent UI.
- lofaszvanitt 3y ago
  NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Modifier key. Like you keep shift pressed and it preserves the aspect ratio. Nobody will do another click, then select a menu, then whatever. That's the issue. If you have to edit 100s of images these extra you go the menu, then the submenu, then click, then blablabla, then powpowpow, takes a lot of time. Streamline the user experience. You can only make it better if you use it daily and change the things that frustrate you. If these things doesn't frustate you, and do these over and over and over, then you are a robot and not fit for UI/UX design, so easy.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    > NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Well, previous commenter just did it. So that just mean that your peremptory decrees are just that. Peremptory and not really universal.
    - Almondsetat 3y ago
      And this is why you will never reach a decent audience for that program
      - michaelmrose 3y ago
        Alternatively it might be the fast that its budget is literally millions of times smaller and with a reasonable budget one would actually hire people instead of hoping random forum talk found its way to implementation via diffusion.

prokoudine 3y ago

> Does this man ever worked with photoshop? What is he talking about? Of course there is a menu, just like in PS. I'm the OP and for the life of me I can't figure out what you are talking about. Seems like you are conflating GIMP and Photoshop and reading the post as if it suggested that either GIMP or Photoshop don't have a menu, which is absurd — there was no such claim. > Another important thing is to drop the "this must look and feel different than photoshop" stance There has never been such a stance in the first place. As far as I can recall (which is about 20 years back), the stance has always been "please explain why your proposed change is good, don't hide behind "because this is how Photoshop does it", it's lazy".

foobiekr 3y ago

I think that’s right. Every time I go look at it I just marvel at how awful it is, like an alien designing photo editing software by looking at some screen shots and feature lists but never editing a single image. Compare with Affinity’s software - they are more consistent than present day Adobe but copied all the good, same as Adobe did with Quantel.

cycomanic 3y ago

> Krita and Gimp's biggest issue is that most of the tools are implemented in a non intuitive way. Everything is a disorganized mess. And since PS doesn't run under linux, this gets on my nerves. Do you mean non intuitive or just not the same as PS. 99% of complaints I see about GUIs (most commonly OSS ones, because people are less likely to criticise choices where they invested money) are that they do not function like another piece of software. > For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio... WHYYY? And why does the crop tool forgets the previous size values? Little things like these show that the creators NEVER EVER use their own fucking program. Are you sure? IIRC you just hold down the ctrl key while dragging to preserve aspect. Do I remember wrong?

hotnfresh 3y ago
I started with “serious” image editors on Paintshop Pro, not Photoshop, and have used Gimp several times as much as I’ve used Photoshop. Gun to my head, have to do some unknown-in-advance image editing task, I get to pick the software, but can’t look anything up, I die if it takes far too long? I’d pick Photoshop. I might survive with PS. Near-certainty I’m dead with the Gimp, hell I might be dead with Gimp even if the task is incredibly simple. It’s not that it isn’t like PS, it’s that it’s UI gibberish.
lofaszvanitt 3y ago
Try editing 10 images in a row with Krita and you'll see the issues right away. Layer handling, selection handling and tool placement is cumbersome, to put it mildly. Maybe invite someone who has extensive experience working with photoshop and watch how often he starts to curse or ask for help and whether he uses the gun to shoot himself in the head. Then change things accordingly, if the creators don't use their own program... I worked with Gimp ~ 1 year ago, not touching that again until I feel the need to flagellate myself.
- zelphirkalt 3y ago
  Not saying you are necessarily wrong about Gimp possibly being able to copy some of the good ideas from Photoshop. However, you basically confirmed what the GP said. If you suggest to put your usual Photoshop user in front of Gimp, without prior experience, then they are bound to walk into unexpected design decisions. Just like a Gimp user would, trying to find things in Photoshop.

avhon1 3y ago

> For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio I've never used Krita, but I was skeptical that it can't do this, so I just now installed it and gave it a try. It does have this feature! I made a crop rectangle, then right-clicked on it. A little menu popped up, titled "Crop Tool Actions". One of the things in the menu is a checkbox labeled "Lock Ratio", which was unchecked by default. I clicked the checkbox, and then I could resize the crop rectangle with the mouse without changing its aspect ratio. Took me under a minute to figure out, having never used the software before or read any documentation. I'd say that's one sign of a decent UI.

lofaszvanitt 3y ago
NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Modifier key. Like you keep shift pressed and it preserves the aspect ratio. Nobody will do another click, then select a menu, then whatever. That's the issue. If you have to edit 100s of images these extra you go the menu, then the submenu, then click, then blablabla, then powpowpow, takes a lot of time. Streamline the user experience. You can only make it better if you use it daily and change the things that frustrate you. If these things doesn't frustate you, and do these over and over and over, then you are a robot and not fit for UI/UX design, so easy.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  > NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Well, previous commenter just did it. So that just mean that your peremptory decrees are just that. Peremptory and not really universal.
  - Almondsetat 3y ago
    And this is why you will never reach a decent audience for that program
    - michaelmrose 3y ago
      Alternatively it might be the fast that its budget is literally millions of times smaller and with a reasonable budget one would actually hire people instead of hoping random forum talk found its way to implementation via diffusion.