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I understand that KDE is a clusterfuck, but giving the money to the American desktop environment instead of the European one is not really a good look.
by vasdae 3y ago
I understand that KDE is a clusterfuck, but giving the money to the American desktop environment instead of the European one is not really a good look.
- xcv123 3y ago> I understand that KDE is a clusterfuck Nah it's the most capable desktop on Linux these days.
- konart 3y agoOne statement does not necessarily contradicts another.
- xcv123 3y agoKDE is not even remotely a clusterfuck. It is stable and has been a reliable desktop for my job for years. KDE and Gnome are the two most popular desktop environments on Linux and both are stable and usable.
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y agoHow do you define "clusterfuck"?
- xcv123 3y agoLook it up in the dictionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clusterfuck https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clusterfuck
- moffkalast 3y agoGnome is surely more stable and reliable than KDE, but it's also as configurable as Planck's constant which makes it useless for power users imo.
- akho 3y agoWho are these “power users” of a DE?
- nottheengineer 3y agoThe ones that want a DE that works exactly how they like it. I quickly lose my focus from having to deal with even the most minor annoyances and KDE lets me change the little things very easily.
- grey_earthling 3y agoKDE letting me change little things is exactly what causes me to quickly lose my focus :) It's good that there are 2 distinct, competitive desktop environments, that each suit different people well.
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- HankB99 3y agoI guess I'm one. For some uses I want to be able to capture literally thousands of lines in a terminal session. I used to be able to do that with gnome-term. The "edit > select all" used to select the entire scrollback buffer. Now it just selects the visible portion. There is no option to change to the previous behavior. The value for providing that option is deemed not sufficient for the additional code complexity. Yes, I know there are other ways to do this (e.g. screen), but they require planning in advance and I don't always know when I want to do that. There have been other things that I used that have also been removed over the time that I used Gnome. I appreciate Gnome for the smooth experience they provide but have switched to KDE which better meets my needs and wants.
- akho 3y agoThat’s an application, not a DE, problem. There is no reason to use the defaults if you have particular needs, or spend much time in some environment. People don’t make much art in MS Paint, or code in Notepad, despite those being the default for most computer users. I think GNOME is very explicit in pushing you towards using independent applications that best fit your needs, while also providing simple to use, but not very feature-rich, defaults. I appreciate that approach. That was my point: I understand who power users of terminals are; I understand who power users of graphics software are; I understand who power users of CAD are. But a DE is a glorified application launcher; there really isn’t much there of which to be a power user.
- serf 3y ago>Nah it's the most capable desktop on Linux these days. I still haven't used anything more 'just works' and 'capable' than xfce, what has KDE added in the past decade or so since I used it that made it 'most capable'?
- stock_toaster 3y agoDon’t you mean Klusterfuck? (though I quite enjoy kde myself)
- yk 3y agoThat's just clusterfuck but qt.
- moffkalast 3y agoNaming terminal "Konsole" will never stop being funny.
- sirtaj 3y agoIt's literally the translation of "console" to German.
- lupusreal 3y agoGNU and Gnome name things with G and nobody cares. KDE names things with K and people can't stop tittering about it. I really don't get it.
- doubled112 3y ago> GNU and Gnome name things with G Unless it is The GIMP. That seems to get people going every once in a while.
- Etheryte 3y agoOr, y'know, pick projects to sponsor on other traits, not country of origin? Why would they sponsor the European one if it doesn't fulfill their needs?
- fermigier 3y agoThat's only one part of the equation.
- w4rh4wk5 3y agoYou think KDE is a clusterfuck?! When was the last time you used GNOME? File Roller still doesn't support drag'n'drop in Wayland; issue now open for over 5 years. It pains me to see them throwing money at the wall instead of creating dedicated jobs, paying (German) engineers to fix bugs and develop long needed features. Given how low German wages are, they could pay around 10 engineers for a full year with that money.
- Hamuko 3y agoReading these Linux DE threads always makes me glad that the only desktop Linux I use is SteamOS.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoWhich SteamOS? The old Debian one fort he cancelled SteamBox, or the new Arch one for the Steam Deck?
- Hamuko 3y agoThe Arch one for the Steam Deck, which makes it really easy to forget that it's even Linux.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoOk, but that's just KDE, no? Do you use it in desktop mode?
- qwytw 3y agoI doubt that many people use the desktop mode on it to be fair.
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- xcv123 3y ago
- never_inline 3y agoOut of the loop. Why is KDE clusterfuck?
- tentacleuno 3y agoDidn't get this either. I love using KDE.
- qwertox 3y agoMaybe because it allows you to configure it so much, that you might actually break it. Gnome on the other hand is the Duplo among desktop environments, it drives me mad.
- ekianjo 3y agoEvery GNOME user calls KDE this
- konart 3y ago1. You can configure about anything (which may be a good thing) but all of this "configuration" looks and feels like Apollo 11 Command Module. 2. UI\UX is lacking. Too many controls all over the place or at least too sticking out. PS: "all over the place" is just the best phrase I can thing of in english to describe KDE. But most of all this is just about two different views on how a DE should look and feel like. KDE fans prefer this "I have all the inputs in one place even if I use 80% of them once a year" and "I can configure every pixel even though I won't do it ever". Gnome fans prefer "clean and simple (and opinionated)" and "this DE gives me 80% of what I can possibly want for 20% of effort".
- hiepph 3y ago> You can configure about anything (which may be a good thing) but all of this "configuration" looks and feels like Apollo 11 Command Module. I wish I could configure KDE "declaratively" with a configuration file, like what I do with i3.
- mseepgood 3y agoFor those who don't know the interior of the Apollo 11 command module: https://www.si.edu/sites/default/files/newsdesk/fact_sheets/commandmodule_interior.jpg https://www.si.edu/sites/default/files/newsdesk/fact_sheets/...
- Erratic6576 3y agoOn the meantime, school agencies in my country have given an undisclosed amount of money to Microsoft and Google. Each school uses at least one of them
- mseepgood 3y ago"American", "European"? Free / Open Source software like that does not have nationality, it's a collaborative effort of thousands of developers around the globe. It's irrelevant what nationality the initial founders once had.
- account42 3y agoGNOME Foundation is based in Orinda, California, United States KDE e.V. is based in Berlin, Germany Both have corporate and individiaul contributors from around the wold but these are not indentically distributed with Gnome being more popular in the US compared to the EU. Calling these two desktop environments "American" and "European" is of course not painting the full picture but it isn't entirely wrong either.
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- 0xDEF 3y ago>It's irrelevant what nationality the initial founders once had. That is not the point. Most big open source projects end up with an entire commercial ecosystem backing them. KDE has probably directly created many more jobs in Europe/Germany than GNOME. Such things should be taken into consideration when determining who deserves grants paid by EU/German tax payers.
- noAnswer 3y agoDid KDE even apply?!
- kaba0 3y agoThese are not football teams/US politics, it’s not us vs them. This idiotic attitude only harms the state of open-source.
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- tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y agoI personally care much less about open source than where my tax money goes.
- mardifoufs 3y agoPretty ironic that you resort to calling it "US politics" while calling out weird nationalism. You realize that recent European economic/tech policy has had a very nationalist direction. And that xenophobia and protectionism is much more common in Europe than the US?
- SomeoneFromCA 3y agoKDE has perfect fine grained fractional scaling. Gnome does not; it uses frame buffer scaling, which is terrible.
- akdor1154 3y agoSeriously, this is out? I thought it was still years away.. Brb jumping back on the distro hop express!
- SomeoneFromCA 3y agoWell with a caveat - perfect fractional scaling _only_ in Qt apps, not in GTK.
- factorialboy 3y agoKDE is amazing and your point is even more valid.
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- darthrupert 3y agoMoney spent on any other DE besides Sway is frankly a complete waste.
- redder23 3y agoHow is KDE a clusterfuck? Last time I used it was with Open Suse Tumbleweed and there it was pretty buggy but that was expected from cutting edge versions. I played around with themes and there were bugs. I actually always went back and forth between KDE and Gnome/Unity. I like KDE better actually. But I use Material Shell (Gnome 3 extension) now that beats everything. KDE always offered more options and configuration and was never as dumbed down as Gnome. But obviously most users do not need that that is why they like Gnome better. KDE has cool things like KDE Connect that was ported to Gnome later. When I used stable versions it was always perfectly fine to use. Not at all a Clusterfuck. 2nd most popular DE for a reason.