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Amazon knows all about of the garbage being sold on its site but only does something about it if you're a massive tech company who threatens to sue, very cool.

Amazon knows all about of the garbage being sold on its site but only does something about it if you're a massive tech company who threatens to sue, very cool. I wonder how many of these thumb drives are legit. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=2+tb+thumb+drive&crid=YZ410MSN6L13&sprefix=2+tb+thumb+driv%2Caps%2C71 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=2+tb+thumb+drive&crid=YZ410MSN6L1...

neilv 3y ago
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMBX671V/ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMBX671V/ I wonder whether they used Samsung's factory tooling for that.
malfist 3y ago
Amazon makes money from those garbage companies having an ad war over who gets to deceive the eyeballs of Amazon's customers first, and then takes a cut when it gets sold. Customer Obsession and Earns Trust might be two of Amazon's Leadership Principles, but no principles stand in the way of cold hard cash.
- LaundroMat 3y ago
  My dad used to say principles are like farts. You can only hold them for so long.
- StressedDev 3y ago
  I agree with you about Amazon's leadership principals. It's clear that the retail side of Amazon regularly ignores them. My favorite example of this was I was browsing the "top 50" computer science books on Amazon. This was about 10 years ago. In the top 50, they had basic how to books (like how to use Linux or Excel), books on getting coding jobs, etc. They had almost no actual computer science books and yet, the top 50 list software almost certainly created by people with a computer science degrees!! The list even listed the same title more than once in a few cases. It was obvious that the software which built the list was broken and either had not been tested or was deployed in a known broken state. Customer obsession does not mean shipping obviously broken software which does not help the customer. As for trust, when I canceled Prime, Amazon used dark patterns to make the process as painful as possible. Not much to say other than I do not trust companies which try to trick me into not canceling a subscription I do not want.
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    Honest question: why would you trust any public company? Do they have any motive to do anything in your interest that isn't somehow calculated to benefit them monetarily in the maximum way possible?
kube-system 3y ago
Even more funny that they're called "thumb drives" when that is a brand name.
- BEEdwards 3y ago
  That cat is out of the bag, that term has gone napkin or bandaid.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    Yeah, Trek2000 didn't really defend their mark too much. I suppose J&J probably does because I don't see anyone using Bandaid for non-J&J bandages, at least in the US.
    - BEEdwards 3y ago
      Not for sales purposes, but I don't know what brand the bandaids I have in the cabinet are, but if i ask for one that's what I'll call them...
      - kube-system 3y ago
        Sure. I wasn't commenting on colloquial speech, I was commenting on Amazon's listings.
ren_engineer 3y ago
my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? They do this routinely for smaller businesses selling fake stuff
- bagels 3y ago
  Do they usually seize the warehouses, or the counterfeit goods? Is it the FBI that is typically doing this, or CBP?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  I've wondered why it's allowed as well. I assume via salami-slicing/frog-boiling. We let it get worse little by little because everyone was winning now it feels too big to police.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  Corruption.
- StressedDev 3y ago
  Probably because seizing the entire warehouse is an awful and unjust idea. First, Amazon's warehouse hold merchandise from other companies. Why should they be punished because Amazon or a different company is selling counterfeit goods. Second, do the retailers know they are selling counterfeit products? There is a huge difference between intentionally deceiving people and getting hoodwinked by thieves. For example, if Amazon's employees decided to buy counterfeit and promote them, that would be wrong. However, what happens if an Amazon employee is tricked and thinks they are buying legitimate goods but are really buying fake goods. In the later case, Amazon is a victim of fraud and should not be punished. Finally, punishments should be proportional to the crime. If I cause $5 worth of damage, I should not pay a $10,000 fine. Note I have noticed a lot of online posters push for draconian punishments and that is not just or helpful.
  - michaelt 3y ago
    > Second, do the retailers know they are selling counterfeit products? Everyone selling 2tb thumb drives knows they're selling counterfeit products, yes. They will of course strategically claim ignorance if confronted - a lie only the most naive would believe.
macNchz 3y ago
First one I clicked into, Amazon’s own AI generated review summary says “…it takes days to transfer anything, and has only 64 GB of usable space. Customers also dislike the data.” People in my world goggle at me when I say I don’t shop on Amazon, but whenever I do go on there I couldn’t be happier not to be paying for the privilege of combing through all of that garbage. (Amazon Visa rewards card holder since 2007 and had Prime 2010-2019)
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neilv 3y ago

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMBX671V/ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMBX671V/ I wonder whether they used Samsung's factory tooling for that.

malfist 3y ago

Amazon makes money from those garbage companies having an ad war over who gets to deceive the eyeballs of Amazon's customers first, and then takes a cut when it gets sold. Customer Obsession and Earns Trust might be two of Amazon's Leadership Principles, but no principles stand in the way of cold hard cash.

LaundroMat 3y ago
My dad used to say principles are like farts. You can only hold them for so long.
StressedDev 3y ago
I agree with you about Amazon's leadership principals. It's clear that the retail side of Amazon regularly ignores them. My favorite example of this was I was browsing the "top 50" computer science books on Amazon. This was about 10 years ago. In the top 50, they had basic how to books (like how to use Linux or Excel), books on getting coding jobs, etc. They had almost no actual computer science books and yet, the top 50 list software almost certainly created by people with a computer science degrees!! The list even listed the same title more than once in a few cases. It was obvious that the software which built the list was broken and either had not been tested or was deployed in a known broken state. Customer obsession does not mean shipping obviously broken software which does not help the customer. As for trust, when I canceled Prime, Amazon used dark patterns to make the process as painful as possible. Not much to say other than I do not trust companies which try to trick me into not canceling a subscription I do not want.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  Honest question: why would you trust any public company? Do they have any motive to do anything in your interest that isn't somehow calculated to benefit them monetarily in the maximum way possible?

kube-system 3y ago

Even more funny that they're called "thumb drives" when that is a brand name.

BEEdwards 3y ago
That cat is out of the bag, that term has gone napkin or bandaid.
- kube-system 3y ago
  Yeah, Trek2000 didn't really defend their mark too much. I suppose J&J probably does because I don't see anyone using Bandaid for non-J&J bandages, at least in the US.
  - BEEdwards 3y ago
    Not for sales purposes, but I don't know what brand the bandaids I have in the cabinet are, but if i ask for one that's what I'll call them...
    - kube-system 3y ago
      Sure. I wasn't commenting on colloquial speech, I was commenting on Amazon's listings.

ren_engineer 3y ago

my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? They do this routinely for smaller businesses selling fake stuff

bagels 3y ago
Do they usually seize the warehouses, or the counterfeit goods? Is it the FBI that is typically doing this, or CBP?
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
I've wondered why it's allowed as well. I assume via salami-slicing/frog-boiling. We let it get worse little by little because everyone was winning now it feels too big to police.
gumballindie 3y ago
Corruption.
StressedDev 3y ago
Probably because seizing the entire warehouse is an awful and unjust idea. First, Amazon's warehouse hold merchandise from other companies. Why should they be punished because Amazon or a different company is selling counterfeit goods. Second, do the retailers know they are selling counterfeit products? There is a huge difference between intentionally deceiving people and getting hoodwinked by thieves. For example, if Amazon's employees decided to buy counterfeit and promote them, that would be wrong. However, what happens if an Amazon employee is tricked and thinks they are buying legitimate goods but are really buying fake goods. In the later case, Amazon is a victim of fraud and should not be punished. Finally, punishments should be proportional to the crime. If I cause $5 worth of damage, I should not pay a $10,000 fine. Note I have noticed a lot of online posters push for draconian punishments and that is not just or helpful.
- michaelt 3y ago
  > Second, do the retailers know they are selling counterfeit products? Everyone selling 2tb thumb drives knows they're selling counterfeit products, yes. They will of course strategically claim ignorance if confronted - a lie only the most naive would believe.

macNchz 3y ago

First one I clicked into, Amazon’s own AI generated review summary says “…it takes days to transfer anything, and has only 64 GB of usable space. Customers also dislike the data.” People in my world goggle at me when I say I don’t shop on Amazon, but whenever I do go on there I couldn’t be happier not to be paying for the privilege of combing through all of that garbage. (Amazon Visa rewards card holder since 2007 and had Prime 2010-2019)

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