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I don't know man, I assume William Gibson didn't think that statement through. Even if you were bring something like a cyber punk universe to a Third World coun

I don't know man, I assume William Gibson didn't think that statement through. Even if you were bring something like a cyber punk universe to a Third World country, it would still be slavery. Anyway, the cyber punk movements being replaced by solar punk ideals, which are more in line with humanities needs.

red-iron-pine 3y ago
I think he did. If you're a well-paid technocrat the cyberpunk future means unparalleled possibilities. Living like a god for 1% of the population and 10% does alright.
skjoldr 3y ago
Given that my country, Ukraine, is already sliding there pretty rapidly, it really can't get worse tbh. I would take corporate wars over interstate wars any day. (wrote this from my home with a backup power generator while studying courses on how to fly FPV drones via goggles and on cybersecurity/electronic warfare)
- JieJie 3y ago
  Hang in there, friend. <3
- mcv 3y ago
  War is hell no matter what setting you're in. Or, going with Hawkeye Pierce from MASH, maybe war is worse than hell. I really hope things will change for you and your country.
suoduandao3 3y ago
I suspect that we need to go through cyberpunk to get to solarpunk. Cyberpunk is basically AI tyranny (corporations are just the oldest form of AI) and humanity needs to be humbled by encountering something smarter than ourselves before any kind of solarpunk can really 'stick'.
- srackey 3y ago
  Bureaucratic states are corporations too, brah. (Arguably more like AI than joint-stock companies, as there’s no one person in charge — just the collective incentive structures)
ChainOfFools 3y ago
> solar punk I'm starting to lose sight of what the word punk represents
- smegsicle 3y ago
  it's used to describe flavors of angsty dystopia, much as -gate is used to refer to careless conspiracy scandals
  - krapp 3y ago
    Not really. Solarpunk is utopian, steampunk isn't angsty. If anything it just describes aesthetics related to technology and energy in a sci-fi setting, that may or may not have political undertones.
    - mcv 3y ago
      I don't know if it's utopian, but it's hopeful. It's the way up after the corporations (or some other disaster) tore everything down.
- tuatoru 3y ago
  Anti-centralization, anti-hierarchy. But see also The Tyranny of Structurelessness. 1,. https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm

red-iron-pine 3y ago

I think he did. If you're a well-paid technocrat the cyberpunk future means unparalleled possibilities. Living like a god for 1% of the population and 10% does alright.

skjoldr 3y ago

Given that my country, Ukraine, is already sliding there pretty rapidly, it really can't get worse tbh. I would take corporate wars over interstate wars any day. (wrote this from my home with a backup power generator while studying courses on how to fly FPV drones via goggles and on cybersecurity/electronic warfare)

JieJie 3y ago
Hang in there, friend. <3
mcv 3y ago
War is hell no matter what setting you're in. Or, going with Hawkeye Pierce from MASH, maybe war is worse than hell. I really hope things will change for you and your country.

suoduandao3 3y ago

I suspect that we need to go through cyberpunk to get to solarpunk. Cyberpunk is basically AI tyranny (corporations are just the oldest form of AI) and humanity needs to be humbled by encountering something smarter than ourselves before any kind of solarpunk can really 'stick'.

srackey 3y ago
Bureaucratic states are corporations too, brah. (Arguably more like AI than joint-stock companies, as there’s no one person in charge — just the collective incentive structures)

ChainOfFools 3y ago

> solar punk I'm starting to lose sight of what the word punk represents

smegsicle 3y ago
it's used to describe flavors of angsty dystopia, much as -gate is used to refer to careless conspiracy scandals
- krapp 3y ago
  Not really. Solarpunk is utopian, steampunk isn't angsty. If anything it just describes aesthetics related to technology and energy in a sci-fi setting, that may or may not have political undertones.
  - mcv 3y ago
    I don't know if it's utopian, but it's hopeful. It's the way up after the corporations (or some other disaster) tore everything down.
tuatoru 3y ago
Anti-centralization, anti-hierarchy. But see also The Tyranny of Structurelessness. 1,. https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm