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Time to go CD archive digging to find my original disc so I can play. Looks like a great project.

by yellow_postit 3y ago

qznc 3y ago
The big news about this release is that you don't need the original anymore.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  From the linked article: > Ownership of the original game is still and will always be required for copyright reasons. Is there something more to the story?
  - orra 3y ago
    You no longer need the original executable. However, the artwork is from the original game. As are the levels (although there are also original levels available).
    - jvanderbot 3y ago
      So if someone asks, you have to produce proof of ownership, but you don't actually need to do anything other than that? Or do the assets need to be installed and accessible?
      - giantrobot 3y ago
        Just installed and accessible. It doesn't matter if they come from your original CD, the GoG release, or an ISO from the Internet Archive.
      - orra 3y ago
        > So if someone asks, you have to produce proof of ownership I mean, I don't think EA can barge in and demand you prove you bought a copy of Dungeon Keeper back in the day (or since), just because you're running KeeperFX. I think the practical matter is mainly that KeeperFX can't redistribute the artwork and levels themselves. So, as another user said, you need to copy over the files from GOG or a CD, etc.
        AlecSchueler 3y ago
        That means you still need the original then? What am I missing? Or what's the material difference between downloading the assets and downloading the entire executable?
        setr 3y ago
        you need the original assets. KeeperFX replaces the executable and doesn’t ship with the original assets, because it’s not theirs to distribute. The question is simply how you obtain the assets. You don’t have a purchase/download option available to only acquire the assets, so you’ll inevitably purchase & download original assets + original executable, discard the original executable and use original assets + keeperfx executable. Or you’ll acquire the original assets alone through nefarious means and can then just use it with the keeperfx executable. Technically I don’t think you can be requested to provide proof of ownership, but keeperfx can definitely be taken down for distribution of assets they don’t own. So the acquisition of those assets falls on you to resolve and is outside their concern. They can only recommend you to purchase the rights to those assets from the proper rights-holders.
        kroltan 3y ago
        That it can be distributed, and that there is source available for modifications, expansions, and ports to modern systems. Generally game assets don't depend on the external environment like code does. Sure, porting is still a lot of work (which I don't think has been done for this one), but it's less work than porting an arbitrary executable. But most importantly, not everything has to be a product with a practical benefit for the user, if the project goal is to be able to be a drop in replacement for all the code, and it does it, and the people involved are fulfilled, that is perfectly enough.
        orra 3y ago
        Ports to modern systems is a very practical benefit, which they achieved. IIRC GOG runs the DOS version of Dungeon Keeper on DOSBox, because the Windows version doesn't run on modern Windows. This means users miss out on the higher quality graphics mode.
      - yellow_postit 3y ago
        The assets need to be installed.
  - Loobinex 3y ago
    Not really. A big change on this release was 'fully rewritten', so I put that there to stop people asking if they would still need to buy it. Because yes, you do need to still buy DK1.
throwaway4aday 3y ago
It's super cheap on GOG if you want to just buy it https://www.gog.com/en/game/dungeon_keeper https://www.gog.com/en/game/dungeon_keeper
- corysama 3y ago
  $1.49? I dunno. I might wait a few months til the hype wears off and the price drops :P Honestly, at that price it’s cheaper to just buy it again than to spend the time digging the CD spool of ancient games out of the box in my basement.
  - navane 3y ago
    You're paying GoG to sort your box of old games and keep them clean for you.

Time to go CD archive digging to find my original disc so I can play. Looks like a great project.

qznc 3y ago

The big news about this release is that you don't need the original anymore.

AlecSchueler 3y ago
From the linked article: > Ownership of the original game is still and will always be required for copyright reasons. Is there something more to the story?
- orra 3y ago
  You no longer need the original executable. However, the artwork is from the original game. As are the levels (although there are also original levels available).
  - jvanderbot 3y ago
    So if someone asks, you have to produce proof of ownership, but you don't actually need to do anything other than that? Or do the assets need to be installed and accessible?
    - giantrobot 3y ago
      Just installed and accessible. It doesn't matter if they come from your original CD, the GoG release, or an ISO from the Internet Archive.
    - orra 3y ago
      > So if someone asks, you have to produce proof of ownership I mean, I don't think EA can barge in and demand you prove you bought a copy of Dungeon Keeper back in the day (or since), just because you're running KeeperFX. I think the practical matter is mainly that KeeperFX can't redistribute the artwork and levels themselves. So, as another user said, you need to copy over the files from GOG or a CD, etc.
      - AlecSchueler 3y ago
        That means you still need the original then? What am I missing? Or what's the material difference between downloading the assets and downloading the entire executable?
        setr 3y ago
        you need the original assets. KeeperFX replaces the executable and doesn’t ship with the original assets, because it’s not theirs to distribute. The question is simply how you obtain the assets. You don’t have a purchase/download option available to only acquire the assets, so you’ll inevitably purchase & download original assets + original executable, discard the original executable and use original assets + keeperfx executable. Or you’ll acquire the original assets alone through nefarious means and can then just use it with the keeperfx executable. Technically I don’t think you can be requested to provide proof of ownership, but keeperfx can definitely be taken down for distribution of assets they don’t own. So the acquisition of those assets falls on you to resolve and is outside their concern. They can only recommend you to purchase the rights to those assets from the proper rights-holders.
        kroltan 3y ago
        That it can be distributed, and that there is source available for modifications, expansions, and ports to modern systems. Generally game assets don't depend on the external environment like code does. Sure, porting is still a lot of work (which I don't think has been done for this one), but it's less work than porting an arbitrary executable. But most importantly, not everything has to be a product with a practical benefit for the user, if the project goal is to be able to be a drop in replacement for all the code, and it does it, and the people involved are fulfilled, that is perfectly enough.
        orra 3y ago
        Ports to modern systems is a very practical benefit, which they achieved. IIRC GOG runs the DOS version of Dungeon Keeper on DOSBox, because the Windows version doesn't run on modern Windows. This means users miss out on the higher quality graphics mode.
    - yellow_postit 3y ago
      The assets need to be installed.
- Loobinex 3y ago
  Not really. A big change on this release was 'fully rewritten', so I put that there to stop people asking if they would still need to buy it. Because yes, you do need to still buy DK1.

throwaway4aday 3y ago

It's super cheap on GOG if you want to just buy it https://www.gog.com/en/game/dungeon_keeper https://www.gog.com/en/game/dungeon_keeper

corysama 3y ago
$1.49? I dunno. I might wait a few months til the hype wears off and the price drops :P Honestly, at that price it’s cheaper to just buy it again than to spend the time digging the CD spool of ancient games out of the box in my basement.
- navane 3y ago
  You're paying GoG to sort your box of old games and keep them clean for you.