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> Who am I tipping, exactly? The staff who make pretty crap money to do a pretty thankless job who opened the restaurant, kept it clean + stocked, kept the bat

> Who am I tipping, exactly? The staff who make pretty crap money to do a pretty thankless job who opened the restaurant, kept it clean + stocked, kept the bathrooms cleaned, make the order, serve the order, help you if something is wrong, help keep condiments/drink machines working, etc. I agree with this logic we should always tip everybody we interact with $1 and that isn't the standard. It's a weird thing. Tipping in the food service industry is just "accepted" the same way a 6% real estate facilitation commission is.

dimgl 3y ago
I don't agree with this way of looking at things. It isn't a thankless job; they're getting paid. It's a different argument if they're not getting paid enough, but it seems backwards to pass on the responsibility of properly compensating them to the customer. The customer should pay for the product. The employees should be paid by the employer. This whole tipping nonsense has been exacerbated by the move to POS systems nationwide. Tipping should be seen as a reward for doing something excellent or extraordinary.
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago
  > It isn't a thankless job What experience do you have working this kind of job / interfacing with people who work these kinds of jobs? More often than not in my experience, they are extremely miserable/unhappy (probably as a result of making less than $40k/yr). They don't have the skillsets/education/opportunities to get ahead. Customers constantly yell at them. Telling them "be happy for what you have/how much you make" is sort of kind of like... not well received? > It's a different argument if they're not getting paid enough There's no easy solution. Most businesses run on like a 10-30% net margin if not lower. Payroll is a fixed portion of that. We already have an "inflation" problem and giving everybody $5/hr raises isn't going to fix anything.
  - dimgl 3y ago
    I’ve worked 5+ minimum wage jobs and worked once at a restaurant. I’m not saying anyone should be happy; you should reread my message. It isn’t a thankless job because *you’re getting paid*.
  - askafriend 3y ago
    If the business can't make the math work, then it should shut down. Otherwise raise the prices and find a point at which it can run. The customer is paying the same regardless so why not just build it into the pricing?
welcheb 3y ago
The 6% realtor fee may become a thing of the past https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/05/homes/nar-verdict-real-estate-commission-fee?cid=ios_app https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/05/homes/nar-verdict-real-estate...
e-clinton 3y ago
I don’t want to tip. Ever. Charge me more money and pay your damn employees. Don’t make employee compensation your customer’s problem. Tipping is rarely ever enjoyable for the customer, so why put that on them?? I know why… greed. You can get away with paying them less because “tips”.
loco5niner 3y ago
or maybe just the owner
allarm 3y ago
> The staff who make pretty crap money to do a pretty thankless job How’s that my problem, exactly?

dimgl 3y ago

I don't agree with this way of looking at things. It isn't a thankless job; they're getting paid. It's a different argument if they're not getting paid enough, but it seems backwards to pass on the responsibility of properly compensating them to the customer. The customer should pay for the product. The employees should be paid by the employer. This whole tipping nonsense has been exacerbated by the move to POS systems nationwide. Tipping should be seen as a reward for doing something excellent or extraordinary.

MuffinFlavored 3y ago
> It isn't a thankless job What experience do you have working this kind of job / interfacing with people who work these kinds of jobs? More often than not in my experience, they are extremely miserable/unhappy (probably as a result of making less than $40k/yr). They don't have the skillsets/education/opportunities to get ahead. Customers constantly yell at them. Telling them "be happy for what you have/how much you make" is sort of kind of like... not well received? > It's a different argument if they're not getting paid enough There's no easy solution. Most businesses run on like a 10-30% net margin if not lower. Payroll is a fixed portion of that. We already have an "inflation" problem and giving everybody $5/hr raises isn't going to fix anything.
- dimgl 3y ago
  I’ve worked 5+ minimum wage jobs and worked once at a restaurant. I’m not saying anyone should be happy; you should reread my message. It isn’t a thankless job because *you’re getting paid*.
- askafriend 3y ago
  If the business can't make the math work, then it should shut down. Otherwise raise the prices and find a point at which it can run. The customer is paying the same regardless so why not just build it into the pricing?

welcheb 3y ago

The 6% realtor fee may become a thing of the past https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/05/homes/nar-verdict-real-estate-commission-fee?cid=ios_app https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/05/homes/nar-verdict-real-estate...

e-clinton 3y ago

I don’t want to tip. Ever. Charge me more money and pay your damn employees. Don’t make employee compensation your customer’s problem. Tipping is rarely ever enjoyable for the customer, so why put that on them?? I know why… greed. You can get away with paying them less because “tips”.

loco5niner 3y ago

or maybe just the owner

allarm 3y ago

> The staff who make pretty crap money to do a pretty thankless job How’s that my problem, exactly?