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I can't stand these arrogant generalized "the current generation is wrong / dumbed down by the media / trapped by lies" takes, you know very well every generati

I can't stand these arrogant generalized "the current generation is wrong / dumbed down by the media / trapped by lies" takes, you know very well every generation has said this about the one after, and it's never true, you are wasting your energy shaking your fist at the kids, they are fine. > No wonder wars are raging, people are fighting, and all while making cute videos of cats while spreading 3rd grade history plausibilities. No, the current wars are not caused by TikTok. > Even reporters are getting their “source” from “I heard it on TikTok”. I wonder what you are getting your source from for this claim.

reactordev 3y ago
“No, the current wars are not caused by TikTok.” But the propaganda is being spread on there, fueling hate crimes and more. “I wonder what you are getting your source from for this claim.” Ask any 20-something where they get their news. Sure some are getting it from legit sources like NYTimes or WashPost or the like but a lot are getting it through their feeds on TikTok. I know it sounds like a “kids these days…” rant or a “get off my lawn” but I’m being dead serious. Every single young person under 20 I have spoken with (and I speak to a lot) gets their news from TikTok or a site like BuzzFeed or Newsweek that often will run TikTok stories. I’m not even that old and I see it. So yeah, be angry, but don’t be angry at me for calling out “Lazy Girl Jobs and how to get one” reporting. Because it happens and you know it.
- saghm 3y ago
  > > > Even reporters are getting their “source” from “I heard it on TikTok”. > > I wonder what you are getting your source from for this claim. > Ask any 20-something where they get their news. Sure some are getting it from legit sources like NYTimes or WashPost or the like but a lot are getting it through their feeds on TikTok. So your source that reporters are getting their sources from TikTok is...20-something year old kids who heard it from TikTok? Either you didn't understand at all what you were being asked or you don't see the irony > I know it sounds like a “kids these days…” rant or a “get off my lawn” but I’m being dead serious. Every single young person under 20 I have spoken with (and I speak to a lot) gets their news from TikTok or a site like BuzzFeed or Newsweek that often will run TikTok stories. If you're concerned about proper reporting of news, I'm not sure that relying on selection bias is an effective way to make this point.
  - CRConrad 3y ago
    > So your source that reporters are getting their sources from TikTok is...20-something year old kids who heard it from TikTok? Depends on what "is" is... No, sorry, "it"! Depends on what "it" is, I meant: GP wasn't saying those 20-something year old kids heard it on TikTok that everyone their age gets their news from TikTok; they meant (AFAICS) that those 20-something year old kids get their news from TikTok. Which IMO is a legit "it" to show that they get their news from TikTok.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    If those 20-somethings are journalists, yes. I understood and gave my perspective. The irony is that these writers/journalists are writing about news that matters to them that they hear from TikTok.
    - saghm 3y ago
      I'm having trouble figuring out what you're trying to say about journalists with regards to TikTok being used as a source by journalists, so I've re-read through this comment chain. First, you said: > Even reporters are getting their “source” from “I heard it on TikTok” When asked what your source was for this, you said: > Ask any 20-something where they get their news. Sure some are getting it from legit sources like NYTimes or WashPost or the like but a lot are getting it through their feeds on TikTok. Then in response to musing about the fact that it sounded like you got this info from the very people you were claiming only consumed inaccurate news, you said: > If those 20-somethings are journalists, yes. I understood and gave my perspective. As best I can tell, you're claiming that there are 20-something year old journalists reporting using TikTok as a source, and you've concluded this based on the fact that 1) there are 20-something year old journalists who exist and 2) "a lot" of 20-something year olds use TikTok for news and not publications like the New York Times or Washington Post. This seems like a pretty dubious inference; it implicitly assumes that not only are these journalists part of the group using TikTok exclusively for news, but that they're also writing stories using that as their source. I don't see why you couldn't just as easily assume that the 20-something year old journalists are part of the group that use the New York Times or Washington Post, or that they use TikTok for news but don't use it as the source for the news they write. You complained about "wars are raging, people are fighting, and all while making cute videos of cats while spreading 3rd grade history plausibilities" and "propaganda is being spread on there, fueling hate crimes and more", and I can't even tell if you think that TikTok is responsible for these major world problems as well as being a place that cat videos are posted or if you're angry that younger people are choosing to engage with TikTok instead of reading about those problems in more traditional news sources, despite several attempts at clarification on your part. To be blunt, this comes across as pretty unhinged.
- notjoemama 3y ago
  Your exposure to GenZ is very different than mine. My son’s friends come over for DnD night and they’re hilarious, wicked smart, and very grounded individuals. I’ve met friends of friends and found them to be similar. It’s only online social media (multiple sites/apps) that I find what you describe. And in that regard I have to emphatically agree with you. Perhaps just different social groups? Also, NYTimes or WashPost are barely credible news sources today. I wish I could recant the multiple reasons that made me feel that way but there’s been too many articles, too many videos, too many audio clips from them and others like CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. Forbes is another where you’d think their finance section would be immune from political bias but even they editorialize beyond the pale. I’m sure you know what I mean regardless of political side. Aren’t we all tired of being told what we ought to feel is important and worse, the degree that we ought to experience those feelings. Man, after Covid, they’re all on the chopping block in my book.
  - CRConrad 3y ago
    > I wish I could recount? > the multiple reasons that made me feel that way

reactordev 3y ago

“No, the current wars are not caused by TikTok.” But the propaganda is being spread on there, fueling hate crimes and more. “I wonder what you are getting your source from for this claim.” Ask any 20-something where they get their news. Sure some are getting it from legit sources like NYTimes or WashPost or the like but a lot are getting it through their feeds on TikTok. I know it sounds like a “kids these days…” rant or a “get off my lawn” but I’m being dead serious. Every single young person under 20 I have spoken with (and I speak to a lot) gets their news from TikTok or a site like BuzzFeed or Newsweek that often will run TikTok stories. I’m not even that old and I see it. So yeah, be angry, but don’t be angry at me for calling out “Lazy Girl Jobs and how to get one” reporting. Because it happens and you know it.

saghm 3y ago
> > > Even reporters are getting their “source” from “I heard it on TikTok”. > > I wonder what you are getting your source from for this claim. > Ask any 20-something where they get their news. Sure some are getting it from legit sources like NYTimes or WashPost or the like but a lot are getting it through their feeds on TikTok. So your source that reporters are getting their sources from TikTok is...20-something year old kids who heard it from TikTok? Either you didn't understand at all what you were being asked or you don't see the irony > I know it sounds like a “kids these days…” rant or a “get off my lawn” but I’m being dead serious. Every single young person under 20 I have spoken with (and I speak to a lot) gets their news from TikTok or a site like BuzzFeed or Newsweek that often will run TikTok stories. If you're concerned about proper reporting of news, I'm not sure that relying on selection bias is an effective way to make this point.
- CRConrad 3y ago
  > So your source that reporters are getting their sources from TikTok is...20-something year old kids who heard it from TikTok? Depends on what "is" is... No, sorry, "it"! Depends on what "it" is, I meant: GP wasn't saying those 20-something year old kids heard it on TikTok that everyone their age gets their news from TikTok; they meant (AFAICS) that those 20-something year old kids get their news from TikTok. Which IMO is a legit "it" to show that they get their news from TikTok.
- reactordev 3y ago
  If those 20-somethings are journalists, yes. I understood and gave my perspective. The irony is that these writers/journalists are writing about news that matters to them that they hear from TikTok.
  - saghm 3y ago
    I'm having trouble figuring out what you're trying to say about journalists with regards to TikTok being used as a source by journalists, so I've re-read through this comment chain. First, you said: > Even reporters are getting their “source” from “I heard it on TikTok” When asked what your source was for this, you said: > Ask any 20-something where they get their news. Sure some are getting it from legit sources like NYTimes or WashPost or the like but a lot are getting it through their feeds on TikTok. Then in response to musing about the fact that it sounded like you got this info from the very people you were claiming only consumed inaccurate news, you said: > If those 20-somethings are journalists, yes. I understood and gave my perspective. As best I can tell, you're claiming that there are 20-something year old journalists reporting using TikTok as a source, and you've concluded this based on the fact that 1) there are 20-something year old journalists who exist and 2) "a lot" of 20-something year olds use TikTok for news and not publications like the New York Times or Washington Post. This seems like a pretty dubious inference; it implicitly assumes that not only are these journalists part of the group using TikTok exclusively for news, but that they're also writing stories using that as their source. I don't see why you couldn't just as easily assume that the 20-something year old journalists are part of the group that use the New York Times or Washington Post, or that they use TikTok for news but don't use it as the source for the news they write. You complained about "wars are raging, people are fighting, and all while making cute videos of cats while spreading 3rd grade history plausibilities" and "propaganda is being spread on there, fueling hate crimes and more", and I can't even tell if you think that TikTok is responsible for these major world problems as well as being a place that cat videos are posted or if you're angry that younger people are choosing to engage with TikTok instead of reading about those problems in more traditional news sources, despite several attempts at clarification on your part. To be blunt, this comes across as pretty unhinged.
notjoemama 3y ago
Your exposure to GenZ is very different than mine. My son’s friends come over for DnD night and they’re hilarious, wicked smart, and very grounded individuals. I’ve met friends of friends and found them to be similar. It’s only online social media (multiple sites/apps) that I find what you describe. And in that regard I have to emphatically agree with you. Perhaps just different social groups? Also, NYTimes or WashPost are barely credible news sources today. I wish I could recant the multiple reasons that made me feel that way but there’s been too many articles, too many videos, too many audio clips from them and others like CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. Forbes is another where you’d think their finance section would be immune from political bias but even they editorialize beyond the pale. I’m sure you know what I mean regardless of political side. Aren’t we all tired of being told what we ought to feel is important and worse, the degree that we ought to experience those feelings. Man, after Covid, they’re all on the chopping block in my book.
- CRConrad 3y ago
  > I wish I could recount? > the multiple reasons that made me feel that way