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So you prefer other people's children to do your construction, got it. That's fine.. I guess, but the world needs construction workers, including in America.

So you prefer other people's children to do your construction, got it. That's fine.. I guess, but the world needs construction workers, including in America. If my son wanted to build nuclear reactors I'd be A-Okay with that.

vinay427 3y ago
Not the parent commenter, but I read their comment perhaps more charitably as describing a general societal attitude rather than their personal beliefs that they would instill on their children. No idea if I’m correct, but it’s maybe worth offering them the benefit of the doubt here.
- theultdev 3y ago
  The general societal attitude is what influences their personal belief, and vice versa at scale. But their point remains the same, "let someone else do it" (the quiet part: "it's below us"). It's a very negative and elitist attitude that's prevalent in bubbles where people don't have to work normal jobs.
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- hotpotamus 3y ago
  I don't have and have never wanted children, so you are correct that it is not my personal belief. Yes, it's a question of the social status afforded to certain professions. The ones that actually build and maintain a functioning society seem low on that hierarchy. I'm willing to bet that the lawyers litigating whether or not a nuclear power plant will be built have have a higher income than the people who build it. This is my perception as someone from the working class who doesn't get one of those big FAANG salaries; they don't check that when you sign up here.
hotpotamus 3y ago
Oh I'd prefer a lot of things that are never going to happen. It's more a question of social status - what pays more, construction worker, or lawyer who argues for/against construction?
- theultdev 3y ago
  What was your point in asking this "question of social status"? Nothing in this thread points to lack of workers, but to over regulation. On a personal note, I'd prefer many less lawyers, especially the ones who argue against the one energy source that works. I'd prefer many more trade workers, much less in academics. I'd prefer people to not view jobs as a social status and appreciate the contributions people give to society. A plumber can make quite a bit of money, work up to their own business, not have to deal with huge amounts of debt, and actually provides needed services for society.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Plumber-Salary-per-Month https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Plumber-Salary-per-Mon... A basketball player can make quite a bit of money playing basketball if they're exceptional. Looks like the national average for a plumber is about $60K/year. Most people on this forum would scoff at that if someone offered them that. It's actually about as much as my uncle, a heavy diesel mechanic, made before his untimely death. It's about what my father made when he retired. Why don't we build? Why don't we do anything; because it's more profitable not to I'm sure.
    - theultdev 3y ago
      60k/yr can support a family in a lot of areas. Most people in my area make around that. SWE is a bubble and can't really be applied to the rest of the workforce. A SWE would scoff at any other job because of this. We do have builders, there is overregulation that stops us from building. It's not the lack of workers.
      - 3y ago
anon-3988 3y ago
> If my son wanted to build nuclear reactors I'd be A-Okay with that. No no no no, we are talking about hard labor. I think OP is merely saying that there are jobs that no one wants to do, but they need to be done. So while everyone wish someone becomes the janitor, no one wants their own kid to become one (or whatever job you deem is less "respected"). This is not to say that I don't respect janitors, it is that I WISH i feel respect for them, but for whatever reason (nurture or nature) I simply don't feel respect for them and I constantly fight against this intuition.

vinay427 3y ago

Not the parent commenter, but I read their comment perhaps more charitably as describing a general societal attitude rather than their personal beliefs that they would instill on their children. No idea if I’m correct, but it’s maybe worth offering them the benefit of the doubt here.

theultdev 3y ago
The general societal attitude is what influences their personal belief, and vice versa at scale. But their point remains the same, "let someone else do it" (the quiet part: "it's below us"). It's a very negative and elitist attitude that's prevalent in bubbles where people don't have to work normal jobs.
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hotpotamus 3y ago
I don't have and have never wanted children, so you are correct that it is not my personal belief. Yes, it's a question of the social status afforded to certain professions. The ones that actually build and maintain a functioning society seem low on that hierarchy. I'm willing to bet that the lawyers litigating whether or not a nuclear power plant will be built have have a higher income than the people who build it. This is my perception as someone from the working class who doesn't get one of those big FAANG salaries; they don't check that when you sign up here.

hotpotamus 3y ago

Oh I'd prefer a lot of things that are never going to happen. It's more a question of social status - what pays more, construction worker, or lawyer who argues for/against construction?

theultdev 3y ago
What was your point in asking this "question of social status"? Nothing in this thread points to lack of workers, but to over regulation. On a personal note, I'd prefer many less lawyers, especially the ones who argue against the one energy source that works. I'd prefer many more trade workers, much less in academics. I'd prefer people to not view jobs as a social status and appreciate the contributions people give to society. A plumber can make quite a bit of money, work up to their own business, not have to deal with huge amounts of debt, and actually provides needed services for society.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Plumber-Salary-per-Month https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Plumber-Salary-per-Mon... A basketball player can make quite a bit of money playing basketball if they're exceptional. Looks like the national average for a plumber is about $60K/year. Most people on this forum would scoff at that if someone offered them that. It's actually about as much as my uncle, a heavy diesel mechanic, made before his untimely death. It's about what my father made when he retired. Why don't we build? Why don't we do anything; because it's more profitable not to I'm sure.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    60k/yr can support a family in a lot of areas. Most people in my area make around that. SWE is a bubble and can't really be applied to the rest of the workforce. A SWE would scoff at any other job because of this. We do have builders, there is overregulation that stops us from building. It's not the lack of workers.
    - 3y ago

anon-3988 3y ago

> If my son wanted to build nuclear reactors I'd be A-Okay with that. No no no no, we are talking about hard labor. I think OP is merely saying that there are jobs that no one wants to do, but they need to be done. So while everyone wish someone becomes the janitor, no one wants their own kid to become one (or whatever job you deem is less "respected"). This is not to say that I don't respect janitors, it is that I WISH i feel respect for them, but for whatever reason (nurture or nature) I simply don't feel respect for them and I constantly fight against this intuition.