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Most higher end cameras like the Panasonic G6, Nikon Z8/Z9, etc. hardly have any rolling shutter. You'll certainly NEVER see rolling shutter in any PRACTICAL ap
by vouaobrasil 3y ago
Most higher end cameras like the Panasonic G6, Nikon Z8/Z9, etc. hardly have any rolling shutter. You'll certainly NEVER see rolling shutter in any PRACTICAL application for video unless you pan like a true madman, either in photo or in video. (I am a professional photographer and videographer....)
In fact for sports and wildlife, you'll NEVER see rolling shutter in pretty much any existing camera, either in photo or video. For photography it's been like this for decades and for videography recently.
Where rolling shutter does appear is in the use of the electronic shutter only, but the Nikon Z9 already solved that, same with the Sony a1.
The main benefit is flash sync and a very SLIGHT improvement in some types of distortion when shooting at very high shutter speeds. I'd argue that the Nikon Z9 is a much better camera if not wanting flash sync due to its lower base ISO.
So to reiterate, the main benefit is not the reduction of rolling shutter, especially since any camera in this price point already has minimal rolling shutter.
Global shutters are COOL, and the reduction of rolling shutter is COOL, but not the main point, though of course most future cameras will probably switch to global shutters at some point if the base ISO can be lowered.
- andrei_says_ 3y agoGlobal shutter allows for much higher flash sync speeds. I shoot dance, often in close proximity, and rolling shutter on canon r6 was a reason enough to upgrade to r6ii.
- onetimeuse92304 3y ago> I'd argue that the Nikon Z9 is a much better camera if not wanting flash sync due to its lower base ISO. Yeah. I think a lot of people focus too much on those "high end" specs and too little about small, practical, quality of life things. I remember how I instantly liked Fuji X100 for its built in ND filter. Yes, you can screw a filter on by yourself. Then you suddenly find yourself on a sunny beach and you wish you had your photo bag with you. Not saying global shutter isn't nice feature, but that 250 base ISO can be a bit of a hassle depending on what kind of photography you do just like not everybody is going to benefit from the new shutter.
- ISL 3y agoThe faster available shutter speeds will compensate for the faster base ISO except where the superior dynamic range of a lower ISO is needed or when a longer shutter speed is simultaneously desired.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoWell to be fair if the base ISO is 250, even the typical 1/8000 will be enough for most purposes except maybe f/1.2 in sunlight....
- onetimeuse92304 3y agoTrue that, unless you also want slower shutter speed for some reason. But that's pretty rare.
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- PaulHoule 3y agoNever could get why people liked ND filters until I got a 50mm f/0.95 lens for which exposures are scary short close to sunset...
- bearmode 3y agoThey're pretty essential for any situation where you can't just stop down the exposure in the camera. If you want a long exposure shot of some crashing waves on a bright day for instance, you might not be able to just increase the shutter speed or narrow the aperture without ruining the intended photo.
- onetimeuse92304 3y agoI personally like to make dreamy photos wide open with relatively long shutter to accentuate movement. Some of it in full sunlight. Yes, ND filter is essential then.
- lvl102 3y agoIt’s not a “very SLIGHT improvement” as you write. It’s VERY SIGNIFICANT. Even the Nikon Z9 has roughly 4ms rolling shutter speed. Light travels faster than you imply here. A lot faster.
- sixothree 3y agoAt 120 fps that’s half the frame time and probably the entire shutter time.
- davidgay 3y agoThe Z9 has no (mechanical) shutter.
- sixothree 3y agoI mean is 1/250 "shutter speed" which seems more normal for lighting than 1/120. But I guess for video it doesn't matter and could be 1/120.
- yakubin 3y agoFor video you typically set shutter speed to half a frame. The most common frame rate is 24FPS, so you get 1/50 shutter speed. It’s lousy for a photo, but good for video , since you want motion blur, so that the video isn’t janky. You control light through ND filters and LED/tungsten lights, not through shutter speed, since shutter speed affects motion blur and you want to make that choice independently of exposure. 120FPS is good for sports or wildlife, but those are special. For normal stuff, 24FPS is good. And even with wildlife, you’re probably not recording at 120FPS all the time, only during quick action. Otherwise you’re just wasting space on your memory card with identical frames. Battery as well.
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoIt's not the speed of light that matters. It's the speed of objects in the field of view (or, more specifically, the speed of their image on the sensor compared to the speed of the shutter across the sensor).
- jdietrich 3y ago>You'll certainly NEVER see rolling shutter in any PRACTICAL application for video unless you pan like a true madman Fast lateral movement doesn't just happen on a whip pan. Any scene involving fast vehicles, high speed machinery or strong vibration is likely to have some level of rolling shutter artifacts. Many perfectly normal tracking shots will have some artifacts, particularly if you're shooting handheld. Modern fast-readout sensors are very good, but they aren't perfect; to a great extent, we've just got used to seeing mild rolling shutter artifacts and don't immediately recognise them as an image quality defect. There are still lots of good reasons to use rolling readout sensors, but there are also many real advantages to global sensors.
- veidr 3y ago> lots of good reasons to use rolling readout sensors Like what? Just curious, but the only reason I know of is that they're cheaper, or you already have them.
- sudosysgen 3y agoThey also tend to have better dynamic range and noise performance.