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It’s a Trojan horse for the CBDC, or Digital Euro. That is a really privacy nightmare.

by sMarsIntruder 3y ago

IlPeach 3y ago
Have no idea what this is all about, and the link being on X doesn't help either.
- isodev 3y ago
  This is not about payments or crypto, eID is the electronic identity card system which also allows you to "Sign in with eID" (like Sign in with Apple) on government websites and organizations that require your real identity to provide service.
  - zorrolovsky 3y ago
    And we all know how things go from there. First, eID is implemented as "just another, more convenient way to log in to your online services". Then, private organizations get pressure to implement eID (through soft power or legislation). Major forums and news websites adopt eID. As the user base grows, legacy semi-anonymous ID systems get decommissioned progressively (i.e. simple email). Now every action you perform on the Internet, and every opinion you post is directly tied to your legal ID. Authorities can use that to prosecute dissenters, oppress voices and narratives contrary to their interests. The bad guys will still have their spaces as they will use their own tech. Call me a conspiracist, cynic or pessimistic, but in some countries like the UK people are getting police visits for having the wrong opinion on Twitter. We're giving authoritarians way too much space and tools for oppression. We're building a shitty world where the powerful class will have even more power to do as they wish, and the man in the street have less and less rights and tools to fight against power.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Yeah this is exactly the problem I have with it. Anonymity is great.
      - isodev 3y ago
        What anonymity? eID is used by government services (which already know who you are because they issue your ID in the first place) and 3rd parties which rely on this identity. They only get access to data they need, you always have overview and control of it, right to be forgotten etc.
        wkat4242 3y ago
        Yes but it enables services like facebook to do ID validation on everyone. It'll be much harder to stay anonymous because it removes a barrier to identifying oneself. It starts with the government's own services but random third party operators are not ruled out, this is a fundamental building block for an "internet access pass" for all but the most niche sites like this one. Right now Facebook only asks for ID in case of obvious fake names, because it's a huge barrier to ask people to send theirs just to create an account. This should remain a barrier.
    - isodev 3y ago
      If we end up in a dystopia, that won't be because of eID. I'd say "vote better" but eventually, technology can't protect or solve human problems.
geon 3y ago
How is it any different than credit cards?
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
  It isn't optional.
  - isodev 3y ago
    It's not about payments at all. https://www.eid.as/ https://www.eid.as/
adriancr 3y ago
Why is it a privacy nightmare?, and why is it worse then existing payment opions? It seems like an EU backed cryptocurrency, that could be implemented like monero and be fairly private or like bitcoin with public ledger, It could also be like credit/debit cards which are already used everywhere...
- vasdae 3y ago
  Because it's controlled by the state and the state has an agenda that goes against my freedoms. I'm not looking forward to my purchases being declined because I ate too much beef already, travelled too much, or was caught demonstrating next to people the state does not like.
  - _Algernon_ 3y ago
    Yes, currencies are generally controlled by the state. This is nothing new
  - xinayder 3y ago
    Bitcoin is controlled by Blockstream Core which has an agenda that goes against my freedoms. You're just replacing who controls the currency in the end.
    - vasdae 3y ago
      You can't effectively control cash. Removing cash is the entire point.
      - adriancr 3y ago
        You can with limits to amount of cash used, how many people make large cash payments anymore? Aslo, try and make a large cash deposit somewhere and see how many questionaires you have to fill in. Control over cash payments us already a reality.
    - sMarsIntruder 3y ago
brnt 3y ago
The reality now is that many consumer purchases are datamined by MasterCard/Visa. Having it mined by just European central banks is a strict improvement.

It’s a Trojan horse for the CBDC, or Digital Euro. That is a really privacy nightmare.

IlPeach 3y ago

Have no idea what this is all about, and the link being on X doesn't help either.

isodev 3y ago
This is not about payments or crypto, eID is the electronic identity card system which also allows you to "Sign in with eID" (like Sign in with Apple) on government websites and organizations that require your real identity to provide service.
- zorrolovsky 3y ago
  And we all know how things go from there. First, eID is implemented as "just another, more convenient way to log in to your online services". Then, private organizations get pressure to implement eID (through soft power or legislation). Major forums and news websites adopt eID. As the user base grows, legacy semi-anonymous ID systems get decommissioned progressively (i.e. simple email). Now every action you perform on the Internet, and every opinion you post is directly tied to your legal ID. Authorities can use that to prosecute dissenters, oppress voices and narratives contrary to their interests. The bad guys will still have their spaces as they will use their own tech. Call me a conspiracist, cynic or pessimistic, but in some countries like the UK people are getting police visits for having the wrong opinion on Twitter. We're giving authoritarians way too much space and tools for oppression. We're building a shitty world where the powerful class will have even more power to do as they wish, and the man in the street have less and less rights and tools to fight against power.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Yeah this is exactly the problem I have with it. Anonymity is great.
    - isodev 3y ago
      What anonymity? eID is used by government services (which already know who you are because they issue your ID in the first place) and 3rd parties which rely on this identity. They only get access to data they need, you always have overview and control of it, right to be forgotten etc.
      - wkat4242 3y ago
        Yes but it enables services like facebook to do ID validation on everyone. It'll be much harder to stay anonymous because it removes a barrier to identifying oneself. It starts with the government's own services but random third party operators are not ruled out, this is a fundamental building block for an "internet access pass" for all but the most niche sites like this one. Right now Facebook only asks for ID in case of obvious fake names, because it's a huge barrier to ask people to send theirs just to create an account. This should remain a barrier.
  - isodev 3y ago
    If we end up in a dystopia, that won't be because of eID. I'd say "vote better" but eventually, technology can't protect or solve human problems.

geon 3y ago

How is it any different than credit cards?

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
It isn't optional.
- isodev 3y ago
  It's not about payments at all. https://www.eid.as/ https://www.eid.as/

adriancr 3y ago

Why is it a privacy nightmare?, and why is it worse then existing payment opions? It seems like an EU backed cryptocurrency, that could be implemented like monero and be fairly private or like bitcoin with public ledger, It could also be like credit/debit cards which are already used everywhere...

vasdae 3y ago
Because it's controlled by the state and the state has an agenda that goes against my freedoms. I'm not looking forward to my purchases being declined because I ate too much beef already, travelled too much, or was caught demonstrating next to people the state does not like.
- _Algernon_ 3y ago
  Yes, currencies are generally controlled by the state. This is nothing new
- xinayder 3y ago
  Bitcoin is controlled by Blockstream Core which has an agenda that goes against my freedoms. You're just replacing who controls the currency in the end.
  - vasdae 3y ago
    You can't effectively control cash. Removing cash is the entire point.
    - adriancr 3y ago
      You can with limits to amount of cash used, how many people make large cash payments anymore? Aslo, try and make a large cash deposit somewhere and see how many questionaires you have to fill in. Control over cash payments us already a reality.
  - sMarsIntruder 3y ago

brnt 3y ago

The reality now is that many consumer purchases are datamined by MasterCard/Visa. Having it mined by just European central banks is a strict improvement.