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Tested: Black 4.0, the "blackest black" is a lot blacker. 0f1012 vs. 272928
- kylebenzle 3y agoEver since Vanta Black I've been super curious about this stuff. I bought the new Black 4.0 and was blown away. Compared it my blackest matte black paint (left), black paper, black 4.0 (middle) and sharpie (right). The black paint looks grey in comparison! If you need something very black this is the real deal. However, it is NOT at ALL like they show in pictures where things just turn into a black hole in space. To get those photos they need very specific lighting. In normal light it doesn't look like anying special. Only in the right low to medium light does it give the effect. https://culturehustle.com/products/black-4-0 https://culturehustle.com/products/black-4-0
- NikolaNovak 3y agoSilly question; understanding these are meant to be artistic paints, how durable are they? Would it be even remotely feasible, for example, to paint the ThinkPad shell with it? I cannot be the only one who salivates at the concept :-)
- masklinn 3y agoA nanotubes coating (like VB) might have better range as it operates differently: from my understanding the coating “traps” light as in a maze, it does not “just” try to limit reflection.
- ikmckenz 3y agoVanta Black isn’t a paint, it’s an achievement of materials science. It very much does look like a black hole in space in the real world. These “blackest black” paints are just clout chasing by some guy attempting to profit from the situation where a materials science company doesn’t want to work with thousands of artists, because their real customers are like defence and telecom companies, and they are nothing like the real Vanta Black.
- Toutouxc 3y agoIsn't Black 4.0 supposed to be about as black (absorbs 99.96% of visible light) as Vantablack, even though it's just "a paint"? (I have no idea what it's made of)
- kylebenzle 3y agoBlack 3.0 can absorb up to 99.0% of observable light. Musou - 99.4% Vantablack’s S-Vis spray - 99.8% Black 4.0 - 99.95%. Vantablack - 99.965%
- kawhah 3y agoSo in other words, Black 4.0 'just a paint' is imperceptible from Vantablack using human vision, and the Anish Kapoor thing was just a publicity stunt?
- mrpopo 3y agoSee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anish_Kapoor#Vantablack_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anish_Kapoor#Vantablack_contro... It's a reaction to Anish Kapoor's exclusive licensing of Vantablack, regarded as abusive in the art world.
- kawhah 3y agoDid you reply to my comment without reading all the way to the end of the sentence?
- nabla9 3y agoNo. These numbers are measured perpendicular. Vanta Black has low total hemispherical reflectance below 1% from all angles, others don't.
- Xixi 3y agoLooking at it the other way, Black 4.0 reflects 0.05% of the light, and Vantablack 0.035%. So Black 4.0 reflects about 40% more light. The difference is not that small. On the other hand, Vantablack is highly toxic (similar to asbestos), while Black 4.0 should be quite a lot safer.
- pests 3y agoThere is a science/maker that showed off the true blackest black by shining a bright light on each of them. One was the clear winner - then he revealed he faked it. It was really just a hole into a box. Quite the illusion. I can't find it right now to link it.
- ipv6ipv4 3y agoHow does black 4.0 compare to Musou black? Musou black was far more black than black 3.0 about a year ago. It wasn’t even close.
- kylebenzle 3y agoBlack 3.0 can absorb up to 99.0% of observable light. Musou - 99.4% Vantablack’s S-Vis spray - 99.8% Black 4.0 - 99.95%. Vantablack - 99.965%
- joshu 3y agoHave you tried musou black? I have tried many of these and smoothness/blackness vary a great deal. Although lately I have been making YinMn blue mostly…
- nabla9 3y agoIt's easy to make black material that is very black measured perpendicular. Low total hemispherical reflectance is what makes Vanta Black different. You don't see it in other paints like Black 4.0. Possible experiment: If you could spray very thin layer of Black 4.0 into a black velvet or one of those nanofiber cloths (so thin that it's not covering the texture) you might improve total hemispherical reflectance.
- kylebenzle 3y agoI will do this tomorrow! I'll water it down and use my spray gun. :) Genius! The poor man's vanta black!
- hsbauauvhabzb 3y agoGross cookie enforcement that is likely a violation of GDPR.
- kybernetyk 3y ago>*Note: By adding this product to your cart you confirm that you are not Anish Kapoor, you are in no way affiliated to Anish Kapoor, you are not purchasing this item on behalf of Anish Kapoor or an associate of Anish Kapoor. To the best of your knowledge, information and belief this material will not make it's way into the hands of Anish Kapoor. Huh?
- carlob 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anish_Kapoor#Vantablack_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anish_Kapoor#Vantablack_contro...
- marak830 3y ago"It all started when Kapoor landed the exclusive rights to use the pigment Vantablack, billed as the world’s darkest pigment and said to absorb 99.96 percent of light." * https://news.artnet.com/art-world/artist-bans-anish-kapoor-glitter-792458 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/artist-bans-anish-kapoor-g...
- bjackman 3y agoHahaha IIUC Anish Kapoor, a British spectacle-based celebrity pop artist, did some silly bullshit where he arranged an exclusive contract for purchase of one of one of these blackest-ever paints (might have been Vanta?) so that the only way you could experience it was by visiting his exhibitions. I guess the person making this new paint thought this was, well, bullshit, so this is a response to that :)
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- wolframhempel 3y agoI'm curious: What are the use cases for these super light absorbent blacks?
- 0134340 3y agoYou can paint a hole in the side of mountains and fool roadrunners into running in(to) them, then perhaps feast on the fruits of your labor. Or paint holes in the ground to fool your nemesis'. Though if Looney Tunes taught me anything, it's that it only works when you don't want it to work.
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- junon 3y agoIf this genuinely needs to be said then all hope is lost.
- jlg23 3y ago~"Sensitive optics" A list of examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack#Applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack#Applications
- 7373737373 3y agoPainting satellites so they do not annoy astronomers. Bright satellites show up as lines in long exposures. A wide field sky survey image may be full of them.
- vincnetas 3y agoI think there is a reason why the satellites are reflective. One thing that comes to mind is to not overheat.
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- Ekaros 3y agoAlways reminds me of that ship at the The Restaurant at the End of the Universe. Would be interesting to see car painted with this sort of paint. Or sufficiently large object. Not that it wouldn't get too hot to be usable...
- littlestymaar 3y ago> Not that it wouldn't get too hot to be usable... It wouldn't actually, unless its infra-red emissivity was much lower than its visible light behavior. (which is why bright metallic surface become so hot in the sun: they absorb little visible light radiation but emit even less infra-red)
- SalimoS 3y agoto be honest the car with this black is unreal https://www.tiktok.com/@dipyourcar.com/video/7298473006874004779 https://www.tiktok.com/@dipyourcar.com/video/729847300687400...
- fauria 3y agoBMW produced a single of unit of Vantablack X6: https://www.bmw.com/en/design/the-bmw-X6-vantablack-car.html https://www.bmw.com/en/design/the-bmw-X6-vantablack-car.html (absorbs 99,965% of visible light).
- arjvik 3y agoI wish this was sold :/
- schoen 3y agoIt's super cool, but maybe not a great idea for safety? Like from some angles you might literally not be able to see it at night, even under streetlights or when illuminated by another car's headlights. And also from some angles it might totally mess up depth perception, kind of like dazzle camouflage, so other drivers might not be able to avoid it as well as they could avoid a car painted in a color that gave better depth cues. Maybe in a hypothetical future where you don't need human beings to be able to see and predict cars' position with their eyes? :-)
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- jval43 3y agoNitpick: "0f1012 vs 272928" doesn't actually mean anything. Any two shades of black or any color could result in these numbers depending on how the camera exposure is set and how the raw->jpeg conversion is done.
- schoen 3y agoI was going to ask if you could plausibly get R, G, and B components that were all numerically greater from a sample object that physically reflects less light of each color, using a real camera sensor and real firmware. It seemed to me that the comparison would at least be directionally correct, at least if the effect is in the same direction for every light frequency, even if it's meaningless in terms of any absolute scale. Then I remembered that a friend told me just today that cameras have gotten so smart about color correction that they may automatically correct an unusual scene (like a sky illuminated weirdly by wildfire smoke) to something more familiar and expected. So, maybe if a current smart camera thought that one of the objects was a specific kind of thing that "shouldn't" be a particular color, it could just totally replace the color with one it thought was more plausible!
- Timshel 3y agoThe absolute values are meaningless but the relative retain some information. Even if they are not really well defined, cf from op : > Compared it my blackest matte black paint (left), black paper, black 4.0 (middle) and sharpie (right)