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Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy strikes expand

22 points by VoxPelli 3y ago

VoxPelli 3y ago
Eg. the dockworkers’ union and maintenance workers’ union are joining in with sympathy strikes against Tesla Sweden
- TraspSE 3y ago
  To summarize: Yesterday, dockworkers began their blockade after giving notice a while back. The electricians and maintenance workers gave notice of sympathy strikes yesterday, refusing to do repairs of Tesla's charging stations and maintenance work at their facilities. Today, the Union of Service and Communications Employees put Tesla on notice, refusing to process mail and packages related to the company. Did I miss any union? It's quite hard to keep up with the (very predictable) development right now.
  - VoxPelli 3y ago
    Hamnarbetarförbundet has joined Transport, so now both the dockworkers union have joined
    - TraspSE 3y ago
      Ah! Thanks. Hamnarbetarförbundet, you just have to love them.
      - VoxPelli 3y ago
        Indeed, I wonder if Unionen, who almost went on strike with Klarna, will also join in on some way. Surely there must we many Unionen members working in relation to Tesla as well Also wonder if/when any other Nordic union will join in. Eg the dockworkers union in Finland or such.
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        TraspSE 3y ago
        Yeah, other Nordic unions is an interesting thought that has crossed my mind as well. Tesla, Amazon and other American companies that refuse to conform to the local customs either is or will be a problem for everyone in the region, so there's at least some incentive for them to join in. Unionen would be a very welcome addition to the list, as would Finansförbundet. I expect we'll see a steady flow of notices this week. Fingers crossed for these two, definitely. These arrogant foreign CEO's thinking they can come to our nation and ignore the customs is so nonchalant that an example needs to be made. Imagine the reaction to a Swede trying to dictate US politics without the approval of its citizens...
        livrem 3y ago
        Transport union in Norway is considering to join, to prevent Tesla from shipping their cars to Sweden through Norway. I would be surprised if any of the big unions in any Nordic country stays out of this for long. Allowing Musk to win this would set a very bad precedent. https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/XbkJ3E/tesla-streik-i-sverige-kan-nekte-lossing-ved-norske-havner https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/XbkJ3E/tesla-streik-i-sverige-k...
VoxPelli 3y ago
The union for swedish postal / delivery workers are also joining: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38190645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38190645
ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
If this happened the other way round, where ups/fedex (usps would be impossible at least in the US) refused to deliver to any striker, there'd be riots no? Just seems wild to let a union have so much power over your country. Isn't it not far off for the union to decide meat is murder later, and refuse to deliver any animal products? Allowing, what, 0.01% of the population to dictate what the other 99.99 can receive seems like too much.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  70% of the working population in Sweden are union members and they have wide support in society (that is a higher participation rate than US elections). The unions are the people and speak for them. > Isn't it not far off for the union to decide meat is murder If they did something controversial like that, everyone would quit the unions, even as it stands today, there is not actually much reason to be in a union aside from solidarity and cooperative discounts on stuff like insurance
- isodev 3y ago
  Almost 70% of employees in Sweden are members of a trade union, so it makes a lot of sense that they have a say. This mechanism exists in other European countries - sympathy strikes happen only after negotiations have been refused or failed.
- hiq 3y ago
  Are you comparing individuals to a company?
- malermeister 3y ago
  Capital already has this much power. This union structure gives labor a more even negotiating position. In the US, you are a single worker negotiating with billion-dollar companies. Unless you have a very rare skill set, that means you'll be easy pickings and your employer will be able to exploit you. In Scandinavia, you are all sector workers negotiating. This evens out the power imbalance and allows for fair negotiations.
- TraspSE 3y ago
  You do know that 90% of Swedish workers are covered by collective agreements, right? While the unions have lost members over the last few decades, about 70% of the population is still members of a union. As such, the number 0.01% only proves your complete ignorance in this matter. Sweden isn't the US and the behavior of the unions isn't comparable to that of the US narrative - nor are the rules and customs of our nation. The 0.01% is in this situation the foreign CEOs while the 99.9% is the actual population. Your made the perfect argument in favor of the unions, by sheer ignorance. PS. The lost in members is likely due to the fact that those who isn't unionized reap most of the benefits anyway. Employers usually sign collective agreements voluntarily as it usually benefits both employer and employees. The numbers would likely go back up if they didn't.

22 points by VoxPelli 3y ago

VoxPelli 3y ago

Eg. the dockworkers’ union and maintenance workers’ union are joining in with sympathy strikes against Tesla Sweden

TraspSE 3y ago
To summarize: Yesterday, dockworkers began their blockade after giving notice a while back. The electricians and maintenance workers gave notice of sympathy strikes yesterday, refusing to do repairs of Tesla's charging stations and maintenance work at their facilities. Today, the Union of Service and Communications Employees put Tesla on notice, refusing to process mail and packages related to the company. Did I miss any union? It's quite hard to keep up with the (very predictable) development right now.
- VoxPelli 3y ago
  Hamnarbetarförbundet has joined Transport, so now both the dockworkers union have joined
  - TraspSE 3y ago
    Ah! Thanks. Hamnarbetarförbundet, you just have to love them.
    - VoxPelli 3y ago
      Indeed, I wonder if Unionen, who almost went on strike with Klarna, will also join in on some way. Surely there must we many Unionen members working in relation to Tesla as well Also wonder if/when any other Nordic union will join in. Eg the dockworkers union in Finland or such.
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - TraspSE 3y ago
        Yeah, other Nordic unions is an interesting thought that has crossed my mind as well. Tesla, Amazon and other American companies that refuse to conform to the local customs either is or will be a problem for everyone in the region, so there's at least some incentive for them to join in. Unionen would be a very welcome addition to the list, as would Finansförbundet. I expect we'll see a steady flow of notices this week. Fingers crossed for these two, definitely. These arrogant foreign CEO's thinking they can come to our nation and ignore the customs is so nonchalant that an example needs to be made. Imagine the reaction to a Swede trying to dictate US politics without the approval of its citizens...
      - livrem 3y ago
        Transport union in Norway is considering to join, to prevent Tesla from shipping their cars to Sweden through Norway. I would be surprised if any of the big unions in any Nordic country stays out of this for long. Allowing Musk to win this would set a very bad precedent. https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/XbkJ3E/tesla-streik-i-sverige-kan-nekte-lossing-ved-norske-havner https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/XbkJ3E/tesla-streik-i-sverige-k...

VoxPelli 3y ago

The union for swedish postal / delivery workers are also joining: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38190645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38190645

ApolloFortyNine 3y ago

If this happened the other way round, where ups/fedex (usps would be impossible at least in the US) refused to deliver to any striker, there'd be riots no? Just seems wild to let a union have so much power over your country. Isn't it not far off for the union to decide meat is murder later, and refuse to deliver any animal products? Allowing, what, 0.01% of the population to dictate what the other 99.99 can receive seems like too much.

kalleboo 3y ago
70% of the working population in Sweden are union members and they have wide support in society (that is a higher participation rate than US elections). The unions are the people and speak for them. > Isn't it not far off for the union to decide meat is murder If they did something controversial like that, everyone would quit the unions, even as it stands today, there is not actually much reason to be in a union aside from solidarity and cooperative discounts on stuff like insurance
isodev 3y ago
Almost 70% of employees in Sweden are members of a trade union, so it makes a lot of sense that they have a say. This mechanism exists in other European countries - sympathy strikes happen only after negotiations have been refused or failed.
hiq 3y ago
Are you comparing individuals to a company?
malermeister 3y ago
Capital already has this much power. This union structure gives labor a more even negotiating position. In the US, you are a single worker negotiating with billion-dollar companies. Unless you have a very rare skill set, that means you'll be easy pickings and your employer will be able to exploit you. In Scandinavia, you are all sector workers negotiating. This evens out the power imbalance and allows for fair negotiations.
TraspSE 3y ago
You do know that 90% of Swedish workers are covered by collective agreements, right? While the unions have lost members over the last few decades, about 70% of the population is still members of a union. As such, the number 0.01% only proves your complete ignorance in this matter. Sweden isn't the US and the behavior of the unions isn't comparable to that of the US narrative - nor are the rules and customs of our nation. The 0.01% is in this situation the foreign CEOs while the 99.9% is the actual population. Your made the perfect argument in favor of the unions, by sheer ignorance. PS. The lost in members is likely due to the fact that those who isn't unionized reap most of the benefits anyway. Employers usually sign collective agreements voluntarily as it usually benefits both employer and employees. The numbers would likely go back up if they didn't.