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They just changed the Strategie. If you install LLM stuff or the relatively stable atom clone vscode. You are seeing dependencies that are also maintained by M
by herbst 3y ago
They just changed the Strategie.
If you install LLM stuff or the relatively stable atom clone vscode. You are seeing dependencies that are also maintained by Microsoft.
No issue so far, except when you run a bleeding edge system and realize that all required M$ libs are outdated and either you downgrade or can't use that tool that has that single M$ made python dependency that won't build on a modern system...
More often than not the dependency issue was already reported months ago on their issue tracker, many people put their thumbs up and someone already wrote a patch. No active maintainer to comment, merge and release tho. This is exactly how we don't want our libs managed.
You can run linux on Windows but still can't install a dual boot system with Linux first. IMO that says it all
- Ennea 3y agoRegarding your last point: I've (finally!) switched from Windows to Linux last year. I have, however, decided to set up a dual boot system, and have installed Linux first. Worked just fine.
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- porbelm 3y agoJust remember to install Linux AFTER Windows, or unplug your Linux drive when installing Windows, because MS does not play nice with including other OSes in their bootloader; you're gonna have to mess with your UEFI boot order or add the Windows boot to GRUB after the fact.
- LoganDark 3y agoI don't see why people on modern machines need or bother with GRUB when EFISTUB exists. The UEFI boot manager should be all you need.
- capableweb 3y agoI think parents point still stand. Windows overwrites any boot related stuff to use it's own. You need to either install X after Windows, or disconnect the proper boot drive when installing Windows, otherwise your system will just boot Windows directly.
- vetinari 3y agoWhat does it overwrite, exactly? Each operating system has its files in their respective directories on ESP, and each operating system registers its own boot entries pointing to bootloader in these directories. With UEFI, there's nothing to overwrite, except setting the default entry. That's not an issue, since you can both easily boot non-default entries and change, what the default entry is.
- porbelm 3y agoNo it doesn't REMOVE the Linux's UEFI partition or files on the drive, but it sets itself to #1 in your UEFI boot list. And since their installer does not add other OSes to the Windows bootloader automatically, you have to either change your UEFI settings or your Windows BOOT.INI (for Windows MBR setups)
- vetinari 3y ago> No it doesn't REMOVE the Linux's UEFI partition or files on the drive, but it sets itself to #1 in your UEFI boot list So it does what is expected from any boot loader. Installing grub does the same. > And since their installer does not add other OSes to the Windows bootloader automatically Which is fine; you should not chainload windows from grub either. Use ntldr for booting windows. > you have to either change your UEFI settings Exactly, you can change the default boot entry in your UEFI settings. Or after POST, press a button on your keyboard for one-off boot change. --- So what was the complain, again? Some people not using UEFI boot manager in a way it is supposed to be used?
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- tomaytotomato 3y ago> You can run linux on Windows but still can't install a dual boot system with Linux first. IMO that says it all Long time Kubuntu user dual-booting with GRUB, never experienced this. I have UEFI enabled and both OS's on separate physical drives.
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- bheadmaster 3y agoI'm 99% sure you've installed Windows first, and then Linux afterwards, which is what the parent comment said: "dual boot system with Linux first". If not, please share the instructions on how you installed Linux first, and Windows second, because I'd really like to know.
- yett 3y agoThis is what worked on my laptop with one drive: I installed Fedora. Before rebooting I used GParted to resize the disk creating space for a Windows partition. After that I rebooted and installed Windows on the new empty partition. Done.
- bheadmaster 3y agoInteresting, thanks! One question - did you shrink partition from the front, or from the back of the disk? Usually Windows has to be in front of the Linux, so if it's from the back, I'd really have to try that!
- Zak 3y agoWith MBR (master boot record) partitioning, Windows had to be on a primary partition, and it was only possible to have four of them. Linux could be installed to a primary or extended partition, of which there could be more. As far as I know the order never actually mattered as long as Windows could have a primary partition. The newer GPT system doesn't have such a distinction or low limits (Windows is limited to 128 partitions per disk; I think Linux can handle more).
- adezxc 3y agoI have both GRUB and Windows Boot Loader available on my PC, installed Linux first, GRUB even auto-detected the Windows partition without any additional setup
- dTal 3y agoThat doesn't make any sense. If you installed Linux first, there would be no Windows partition for GRUB to autodetect when it was set up. And GRUB doesn't probe for operating systems automatically on boot, only when you run "update-grub" from inside a running Linux OS, so it wouldn't magically fix itself once you did install Windows. And besides, the fact that we are talking about GRUB autodetecting things, not Windows Boot Loader, only proves the parent's point.
- jhoechtl 3y agoA kernel update reruns grub config which then adds windows to grub
- vmfunction 3y agoMS only warmed up to Linux/Open Source, cause they were getting obliterated by Google on search and Apple with smart phones. If they don't do anything to warm up to the open source developers community, they would be obsolete. Personally I still don't trust any open source or close source products from MS or any corporation. There is ALWAYS some strings attached. However, good thing about open sourcing software, is that you can always find alternative version that is compiled by the community or CE edition. e.g: Use VSCodium instead of VSCode. Use ungoogled-chromium instead of Chrome. Use WebKit instead of Safari
- wg0 3y agoI can only trace it to Satya Nadal. I think he shaped modern Microsoft post Steve Balmer. Microsoft got much more diversified since than it seems.
- prima-facie 3y agoJust look how often the vscode extensions break for the open-source variants of the IDE. I basically have to sit down every few months and rejig my settings.json file to match the latest syntax used by the IDE. Microsoft hasn't changed its character, only how it presents itself.
- mattl 3y agoIs that because of malice or because the unofficial version of VS Code (Codium, I think) isn’t well known?
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y agoYour annual reminder that globally, it is Android that dominates the phone market, not iOS. I know that isn't the case in the USA, but that's not the global marketplace. MS lost (or rather, made essentially zero head way in) everything except desktop computers.
- BizarroLand 3y agoAnd thanks to the Steam Deck and the damage that is doing to the last bastion of Window supremacy in gaming, they may not have that much longer either. I mean, would you rather have an OS that turns your computer into a personal space invasion device that helps a multi-trillion dollar megalith monetize your every breath while consuming a huge portion of the performance of your $1,000 personal computer, or would you rather have a lightweight customizable OS that only does what you tell it to do, doesn't cost you anything, and can do almost everything that the other guy can do just as well for free with no tracking?
- orochimaaru 3y agoNitpicking on dual boot. I just went ahead and got myself a system76 laptop. All Linux, no whiff of msft on it. Works awesome. You don’t need a dual boot. You don’t need windows today. In a sense that’s what the Halloween papers predicted. I don’t have a single windows device. Apple for phones and work laptop, system76 for home laptop.
- herbst 3y agoI haven't used windows or even came in contact with it for a long while :) IMO the dual boot example just shows how little they actually care and always cared. However my whole family is on linux only and on the rare occasion where they need to run some weird software they prefer dual boot to VM, because easier or because old machine.