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I'm surprised it's still a problem. Years ago a basketball game franchise bragged that the PS3 allowed them to do foot planting with inverse kinematics. Years b

I'm surprised it's still a problem. Years ago a basketball game franchise bragged that the PS3 allowed them to do foot planting with inverse kinematics. Years before that, Shadow of the Colossus shipped on PS2... with IK foot planting.

kylebenzle 3y ago
Inverse kinematics is used but, again, that does not solve the problem of the trade off between response time and realistic movement. It simply "snaps" the feet to the ground.
- alpaca128 3y ago
  A lot of the problems occur during movement, when responsiveness doesn't even matter. I still have yet to see a game where it's impossible to get randomly stuck at a fence or rock that instantly stops one's movement for example. Making the character dynamically avoid such minor obstacles would make the game more responsive, not less. And games with fancy animations are often not just less responsive, but also less controllable in general: in Witcher 3 the character cannot walk backwards or turn in place, so you can literally fall off a cliff in front of you by trying to walk away from it. In terms of movement the only difference between Geralt and his horse is the turning radius.
  - kylebenzle 3y ago
    I don't play any video games but it seems like you might be discussing a separate issue. A developer must choose between responsiveness and fluidity.
    - alpaca128 3y ago
      Responsiveness doesn't play a role in what I'm talking about. And if Boston Dynamics can integrate it into real-life robots to some degree then it can also be done in games.
fulafel 3y ago
Conflicting requirements stemming from the psychological illusion of movement spontaniety. People don't want the realistic, slow response. Normally people aren't aware of how early their body starts a movement, the conscious brain has the illusion of just having decided it but it's actually started much earlier.
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  > People don't want the realistic, slow response. That's it, there's the tradeoff; if they want legs to move naturally, they have to fight against what the user inputs. There's a setting in the Witcher 3 so that the character can turn on a dime / instantly, less realistic but more fun / responsive: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/difference-between-standard-alternative-movement-in-witcher-3/ https://www.escapistmagazine.com/difference-between-standard...
- 0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
  Why doesn't the same apply to a joystick though?

kylebenzle 3y ago

Inverse kinematics is used but, again, that does not solve the problem of the trade off between response time and realistic movement. It simply "snaps" the feet to the ground.

alpaca128 3y ago
A lot of the problems occur during movement, when responsiveness doesn't even matter. I still have yet to see a game where it's impossible to get randomly stuck at a fence or rock that instantly stops one's movement for example. Making the character dynamically avoid such minor obstacles would make the game more responsive, not less. And games with fancy animations are often not just less responsive, but also less controllable in general: in Witcher 3 the character cannot walk backwards or turn in place, so you can literally fall off a cliff in front of you by trying to walk away from it. In terms of movement the only difference between Geralt and his horse is the turning radius.
- kylebenzle 3y ago
  I don't play any video games but it seems like you might be discussing a separate issue. A developer must choose between responsiveness and fluidity.
  - alpaca128 3y ago
    Responsiveness doesn't play a role in what I'm talking about. And if Boston Dynamics can integrate it into real-life robots to some degree then it can also be done in games.

fulafel 3y ago

Conflicting requirements stemming from the psychological illusion of movement spontaniety. People don't want the realistic, slow response. Normally people aren't aware of how early their body starts a movement, the conscious brain has the illusion of just having decided it but it's actually started much earlier.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
> People don't want the realistic, slow response. That's it, there's the tradeoff; if they want legs to move naturally, they have to fight against what the user inputs. There's a setting in the Witcher 3 so that the character can turn on a dime / instantly, less realistic but more fun / responsive: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/difference-between-standard-alternative-movement-in-witcher-3/ https://www.escapistmagazine.com/difference-between-standard...
0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
Why doesn't the same apply to a joystick though?