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This is a strange American thing. As a Brit it is utterly bizarre and alien to me. Nobody here would ever look twice at a job that didn't state the salary. If y

This is a strange American thing. As a Brit it is utterly bizarre and alien to me. Nobody here would ever look twice at a job that didn't state the salary. If you're trying to fill a position the salary is probably the most important piece of information you need to sell it. How can an employment market even function otherwise?

supersparrow 3y ago
> As a Brit it is utterly bizarre and alien to me. I’m really surprised you say that. 90% of the jobs I look at for ‘software developer’ do not state salary. I have seen a couple with a ‘salary range’ but most don’t mention it or say “dependent on experience”. I’ve been working in software for 15 years now in the UK and that’s always been my experience. Even though it’s standard, I still don’t see it as normal that such a vital piece of information is always missing.
BHSPitMonkey 3y ago
> How can an employment market even function otherwise? Employee desperation to have income and health insurance means it's worth going into the interviews blind.
- digging 3y ago
  That, and on the flip side, the very American desire to beat the odds and get an especially high offer.
  - nonrandomstring 3y ago
    I admire that.
SpicyLemonZest 3y ago
I've seen plenty of UK job listings that don't state the salary? Meta for example posts a salary range for their US jobs (https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/1651941818579349/ https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/1651941818579349/) but not UK ones (https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/2274967272693600/ https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/2274967272693600/). There are some fields and roles where it's expected in the US as well, and I suspect that's just where the difference comes in. Without explicit salary ranges, the market functions through implicit cultural expectations about what an appropriate salary should be. Which of course has a lot of problems. For example, US software engineering salaries are stereotypically bimodal, and one of the staples of our mid 2010s job market discourse was people who'd only seen one hump insisting that the other can't possibly exist. (The question of whether there's actually two humps or just a wide range, I don't know if I've ever seen resolved.)
1234letshaveatw 3y ago
These "as a X" posts always read like propaganda to me lol
- lannisterstark 3y ago
  Not to mention Brit salaries are absolutely abysmal compared to most US tech salaries lol.
- midasuni 3y ago
  Not a user story?
- DOSUser67 3y ago
  This one makes sense, providing local British context. I think it is helpful here. But usually it seems like they are used to claim superiority. "As a <identity politics tribe member>, this is why my perspective is more important than yours and you are wrong."

supersparrow 3y ago

> As a Brit it is utterly bizarre and alien to me. I’m really surprised you say that. 90% of the jobs I look at for ‘software developer’ do not state salary. I have seen a couple with a ‘salary range’ but most don’t mention it or say “dependent on experience”. I’ve been working in software for 15 years now in the UK and that’s always been my experience. Even though it’s standard, I still don’t see it as normal that such a vital piece of information is always missing.

BHSPitMonkey 3y ago

> How can an employment market even function otherwise? Employee desperation to have income and health insurance means it's worth going into the interviews blind.

digging 3y ago
That, and on the flip side, the very American desire to beat the odds and get an especially high offer.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  I admire that.

SpicyLemonZest 3y ago

I've seen plenty of UK job listings that don't state the salary? Meta for example posts a salary range for their US jobs (https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/1651941818579349/ https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/1651941818579349/) but not UK ones (https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/2274967272693600/ https://www.metacareers.com/v2/jobs/2274967272693600/). There are some fields and roles where it's expected in the US as well, and I suspect that's just where the difference comes in. Without explicit salary ranges, the market functions through implicit cultural expectations about what an appropriate salary should be. Which of course has a lot of problems. For example, US software engineering salaries are stereotypically bimodal, and one of the staples of our mid 2010s job market discourse was people who'd only seen one hump insisting that the other can't possibly exist. (The question of whether there's actually two humps or just a wide range, I don't know if I've ever seen resolved.)

1234letshaveatw 3y ago

These "as a X" posts always read like propaganda to me lol

lannisterstark 3y ago
Not to mention Brit salaries are absolutely abysmal compared to most US tech salaries lol.
midasuni 3y ago
Not a user story?
DOSUser67 3y ago
This one makes sense, providing local British context. I think it is helpful here. But usually it seems like they are used to claim superiority. "As a <identity politics tribe member>, this is why my perspective is more important than yours and you are wrong."