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> The M2 was launched in June 2022, but the Pro and Max launched in January 2023. They're not even a year old and have already been relegated to the trash heap

> The M2 was launched in June 2022, but the Pro and Max launched in January 2023. They're not even a year old and have already been relegated to the trash heap of silicon history. It stands to reason the M2 chips didn't sell very well, so Apple wanted to get the M3 out ASAP to reverse that trend. That theory would make a lot more sense if the M3 was providing a big performance boost. Instead buyers of the M3 Pro get 25% less memory bandwidth than the M2 Pro, and two of the performance cores swapped for efficiency cores. Not much to reinvigorate sales by motivating M2 Pro users to upgrade other than a higher number.

thepangolino 3y ago
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hyperhello 3y ago
The M1 Pro came in binned 6+2 and I’ll bet most buyers took that configuration to save money or upgrade to Max if they want more performance and RAM. Apple could be providing a good upgrade for what people really bought, and with 6+6 and more single core score it is a real upgrade. Is it worth it? There’s no other improvements than the chip anyway.
bryzaguy 3y ago
As others have speculated, maybe it improves battery life? I’d be curious to know if there’s a meaningful difference.
FireBeyond 3y ago
I feel like the M3 has been a bit of a misfire, launch-wise. In between all this and the fact that they're all shipping with Ventura and cannot be upgraded to Sonoma yet to me says that for all the claims of "Apple may not be first, but it will always do it best/right" are evaporating. Seems like this is a bit of a rush. And to all the people working the "They're comparing it to the M1, because that's who they're targeting for upgrades"? Bullshit. Try saying that about Intel, if they start benchmarking 14th gen chips against 11/12th. "Because they're targeting those users, not 13th gen owners". Think about how that sounds. Think about how you'd laugh if they tried it. Think about how Apple is spinning that, and you're buying into it. Hmm.
- thejazzman 3y ago
  They can be upgraded to Sonoma. It's just a bug that has already been addressed...
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Never implied anything different. Just not a good look. I can imagine there'd be howls of laughter from some corners if Microsoft released a new Surface tablet and said "BTW, it will come with Windows 10 and there's a bug that won't let you upgrade to Windows 11 until we fix it..."
rsynnott 3y ago
> Not much to reinvigorate sales by motivating M2 Pro users to upgrade other than a higher number. Do you, in 2023, know _anyone_ who replaces their laptop every year? Realistically, virtually no-one does this; the primary market for this is actually people who are still on Intel chips.
- elAhmo 3y ago
  Exactly! I am about to upgrade from M1 Air to the new M3 pro, and although the gains will not be as huge as from Intel - ARM, I still expect a significant upgrade for a ~3 year old laptop.

thepangolino 3y ago

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hyperhello 3y ago

The M1 Pro came in binned 6+2 and I’ll bet most buyers took that configuration to save money or upgrade to Max if they want more performance and RAM. Apple could be providing a good upgrade for what people really bought, and with 6+6 and more single core score it is a real upgrade. Is it worth it? There’s no other improvements than the chip anyway.

bryzaguy 3y ago

As others have speculated, maybe it improves battery life? I’d be curious to know if there’s a meaningful difference.

FireBeyond 3y ago

I feel like the M3 has been a bit of a misfire, launch-wise. In between all this and the fact that they're all shipping with Ventura and cannot be upgraded to Sonoma yet to me says that for all the claims of "Apple may not be first, but it will always do it best/right" are evaporating. Seems like this is a bit of a rush. And to all the people working the "They're comparing it to the M1, because that's who they're targeting for upgrades"? Bullshit. Try saying that about Intel, if they start benchmarking 14th gen chips against 11/12th. "Because they're targeting those users, not 13th gen owners". Think about how that sounds. Think about how you'd laugh if they tried it. Think about how Apple is spinning that, and you're buying into it. Hmm.

thejazzman 3y ago
They can be upgraded to Sonoma. It's just a bug that has already been addressed...
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Never implied anything different. Just not a good look. I can imagine there'd be howls of laughter from some corners if Microsoft released a new Surface tablet and said "BTW, it will come with Windows 10 and there's a bug that won't let you upgrade to Windows 11 until we fix it..."

rsynnott 3y ago

> Not much to reinvigorate sales by motivating M2 Pro users to upgrade other than a higher number. Do you, in 2023, know _anyone_ who replaces their laptop every year? Realistically, virtually no-one does this; the primary market for this is actually people who are still on Intel chips.

elAhmo 3y ago
Exactly! I am about to upgrade from M1 Air to the new M3 pro, and although the gains will not be as huge as from Intel - ARM, I still expect a significant upgrade for a ~3 year old laptop.