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Excellent insight. Let me add: > Ghosted on dating scene, ghosted by the remaining friends post graduation, and now feeling ignored at work. > Add on no third

by sph 3y ago

Excellent insight. Let me add: > Ghosted on dating scene, ghosted by the remaining friends post graduation, and now feeling ignored at work. > Add on no third place to go to and how work is increasingly ceasing to be a second place with wfh and you just have a loneliness sandwich. And all around them, a social media full of hucksters and fake personas that should how successful they are. Build something, and get inundated by infinite liars that have shipped your idea in 30 days and earned a billion dollar MMR, blessed with capacity to work 80 hours a week and come back for more. Meanwhile these new people just want to feel they have a mark, any mark at all, in the world. Ever self doubting. Before the next layoff. -- The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. I am a Millennial, but a digital native no more.

piva00 3y ago
> The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. I am a Millennial, but a digital native no more. Similar to the conclusion I got to in the past 5 years, I'm in my mid-30s by now and been steadily removing myself from being a "digital native" back into the real world. It was immensely enlightening to grow up on the internet, see it appear and flourish, being taught by so many anonymous people on IRC chats, forums, blogs, etc. but now I can also see it's been transformed into something that's not helping me, it's not making me more fulfilled or happier. The information available online is still my bread and butter for learning hobbies, new skills, etc., but the "internet scene" as a whole is definitely something I've been slowly waning myself away from. Being part of the real world, part of the life of locals around me, helping others to set up events and gatherings for real people (even when they're small for about 10-20 others) is much, much more fulfilling than being yet another voice shouting into the void of the internet. The internet was always a bit of a cold place but there was some character, the communities' interactions were between some hundreds to thousands of people gathering at a place, nowadays most of it is an incessant feed of bullshit pushed to millions at a time, no sense of community, just bland posts and snippets that you don't care about. Curating that has become such a massive job that I stopped caring, I found the places I like and stuck to them. Maybe I'm just getting old...
- seanw444 3y ago
  > Maybe I'm just getting old... Don't worry, plenty of us "zoomers" are getting sick of it too.
- TrackerFF 3y ago
  Prior to 2010, I met A LOT of people IRL that I had previously only interacted with on forums, IRC channels, and what not. I guess that was the exciting part, to see what kind of people they were IRL, as you only had their internet persona and nickname to go after. We'd meet up at a bar, pizza place, etc. in groups and just shoot the shit. Hell, my roommate at the time got a visitor from the other side of the world, and they'd only been discussing stuff on some (niche) hobby chatroom. I haven't really met too many like that in the past 10-12 years though. Many forums moved over to become Facebook groups/pages, and the excitement is kind of gone.
- sph 3y ago
  > Maybe I'm just getting old You know, I don't think we are. We are in our 30s, and the only generation that has grown right in the middle of the pre- and post-internet world. We have seen how life was before, how socialising functioned, and we still adopted this world-changing invention with the fresh excitement and energy of a teenager. I feel we might be the only ones to truly understand what we have gained. And what we have lost.
Verdex 3y ago
> The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. I watched a lot of star trek when I was young. At some point it became hard to go back and re-watch because of the advent of social media and the 'modern' web. Social media was so obviously going to be a massive part in everyone's lives that it felt weird that it wasn't present in our star trek future. Sure, star trek had a world war 3 that would have knocked out current existing social media platforms, but it seems like the natural progression of technology. At some point you get networks, then you hook computers up to them, then you get muggle friendly UX, then social media. Because star trek was a product of its time, they didn't consider the inevitable social media future, and now the suspension of disbelief is too great. However, then social media continued to exist. Now I feel the obvious natural technological progression is something like: networks, computers, easy UX, social media, large scale societal disruption due to social media, continued technological progression without social media because everyone agrees 'never again'.
- GrinningFool 3y ago
  A perspective that might help: social media failed catastrophically at some point in the distant past. Society shunned it to ensure it would never be repeated, to the point where it was baked into future technological development and not even a point of discussion. Yeah, still a stretch. But it could work...
  - Izkata 3y ago
    It would fit right in with how TNG portrayed entertainment: passive enjoyment was generally frowned upon, creating something new and being in-person social was what everyone wanted in that era.
- sph 3y ago
  > continued technological progression without social media because everyone agrees 'never again' We didn't say "never again" when we first threw rocks at a rival tribe and saw the aftermath. We didn't say "never again" after millions of people died in world wars. It is beyond optimistic that one day we'll look at Twitter and say "no more of that." What if the Great Filter is light-speed communication and dissemination of ideas? The odds of a physical lifeform able to deal with the implications of that discovery from day 1 are infinitesimal.
seanw444 3y ago
> The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. Really though, a lot of it can be blamed on the advent of the internet. Which sucks, because the internet is an awesome tool.
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by sph 3y ago

piva00 3y ago

> The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. I am a Millennial, but a digital native no more. Similar to the conclusion I got to in the past 5 years, I'm in my mid-30s by now and been steadily removing myself from being a "digital native" back into the real world. It was immensely enlightening to grow up on the internet, see it appear and flourish, being taught by so many anonymous people on IRC chats, forums, blogs, etc. but now I can also see it's been transformed into something that's not helping me, it's not making me more fulfilled or happier. The information available online is still my bread and butter for learning hobbies, new skills, etc., but the "internet scene" as a whole is definitely something I've been slowly waning myself away from. Being part of the real world, part of the life of locals around me, helping others to set up events and gatherings for real people (even when they're small for about 10-20 others) is much, much more fulfilling than being yet another voice shouting into the void of the internet. The internet was always a bit of a cold place but there was some character, the communities' interactions were between some hundreds to thousands of people gathering at a place, nowadays most of it is an incessant feed of bullshit pushed to millions at a time, no sense of community, just bland posts and snippets that you don't care about. Curating that has become such a massive job that I stopped caring, I found the places I like and stuck to them. Maybe I'm just getting old...

seanw444 3y ago
> Maybe I'm just getting old... Don't worry, plenty of us "zoomers" are getting sick of it too.
TrackerFF 3y ago
Prior to 2010, I met A LOT of people IRL that I had previously only interacted with on forums, IRC channels, and what not. I guess that was the exciting part, to see what kind of people they were IRL, as you only had their internet persona and nickname to go after. We'd meet up at a bar, pizza place, etc. in groups and just shoot the shit. Hell, my roommate at the time got a visitor from the other side of the world, and they'd only been discussing stuff on some (niche) hobby chatroom. I haven't really met too many like that in the past 10-12 years though. Many forums moved over to become Facebook groups/pages, and the excitement is kind of gone.
sph 3y ago
> Maybe I'm just getting old You know, I don't think we are. We are in our 30s, and the only generation that has grown right in the middle of the pre- and post-internet world. We have seen how life was before, how socialising functioned, and we still adopted this world-changing invention with the fresh excitement and energy of a teenager. I feel we might be the only ones to truly understand what we have gained. And what we have lost.

Verdex 3y ago

> The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. I watched a lot of star trek when I was young. At some point it became hard to go back and re-watch because of the advent of social media and the 'modern' web. Social media was so obviously going to be a massive part in everyone's lives that it felt weird that it wasn't present in our star trek future. Sure, star trek had a world war 3 that would have knocked out current existing social media platforms, but it seems like the natural progression of technology. At some point you get networks, then you hook computers up to them, then you get muggle friendly UX, then social media. Because star trek was a product of its time, they didn't consider the inevitable social media future, and now the suspension of disbelief is too great. However, then social media continued to exist. Now I feel the obvious natural technological progression is something like: networks, computers, easy UX, social media, large scale societal disruption due to social media, continued technological progression without social media because everyone agrees 'never again'.

GrinningFool 3y ago
A perspective that might help: social media failed catastrophically at some point in the distant past. Society shunned it to ensure it would never be repeated, to the point where it was baked into future technological development and not even a point of discussion. Yeah, still a stretch. But it could work...
- Izkata 3y ago
  It would fit right in with how TNG portrayed entertainment: passive enjoyment was generally frowned upon, creating something new and being in-person social was what everyone wanted in that era.
sph 3y ago
> continued technological progression without social media because everyone agrees 'never again' We didn't say "never again" when we first threw rocks at a rival tribe and saw the aftermath. We didn't say "never again" after millions of people died in world wars. It is beyond optimistic that one day we'll look at Twitter and say "no more of that." What if the Great Filter is light-speed communication and dissemination of ideas? The odds of a physical lifeform able to deal with the implications of that discovery from day 1 are infinitesimal.

seanw444 3y ago

> The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. Really though, a lot of it can be blamed on the advent of the internet. Which sucks, because the internet is an awesome tool.

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