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Don't blame the players, blame the game. If there are no consequences to dragging out the process like this and wasting time, why wouldn't they do it?

kombookcha 3y ago
You absolutely should blame these players. 'If I can get away with it, it must be morally defensible' is the thought process of a psychopath. What they're doing is knowingly stealing out of the pocket of the taxpayer, and it is deserving of the same attitude you'd have towards a street gang running a protection racket. Just because it's profitable for them to do, doesn't mean it's deserving of respect.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  > it is deserving of the same attitude you'd have towards a street gang running a protection racket The difference is that their actions here seem within the law? The law allowed them to drag out the process for so long. I wouldn't blame them for doing so. My argument is that the legislation/regulatory environment is to blame. There should be laws/regulation on the books to discourage/punish/recoup costs of behavior we consider unacceptable.
  - gpderetta 3y ago
    Especially in Italy, the law often allows you to drag criminal trials so long that you might get scot-free because of the statute of limitations. The process should definitely be blamed for making trials so long, but that certainly that doesn't absolve the criminals.
    - singlow 3y ago
      I have never seen a statute of limitations that can expire if charges have already been initiated.
      - gpderetta 3y ago
        That's Italy for you!
  - kombookcha 3y ago
    >The difference is that their actions here seem within the law? The law allowed them to drag out the process for so long. I wouldn't blame them for doing so. There absolutely should be reforms to the system to make this impossible, yes. In the meantime, we can discourage this by making them wear it. The decisions Airbnb made as an organization, have shown us all something about the company and the people in charge of it. If we can't sanction them legally, we at least can sanction their reputation.
gr__or 3y ago
There is a funny circularity here. Blaming them is part of, or the beginning of, the consequences.
krageon 3y ago
Because doing it makes you an asshole and a garbage person. The fabric holding society together is a little broader than just "you won't beat me for doing it so I will!". Thinking otherwise and then working for a corporation like this is how you get the terrible behaviour that is under discussion.

kombookcha 3y ago

You absolutely should blame these players. 'If I can get away with it, it must be morally defensible' is the thought process of a psychopath. What they're doing is knowingly stealing out of the pocket of the taxpayer, and it is deserving of the same attitude you'd have towards a street gang running a protection racket. Just because it's profitable for them to do, doesn't mean it's deserving of respect.

Nextgrid 3y ago
> it is deserving of the same attitude you'd have towards a street gang running a protection racket The difference is that their actions here seem within the law? The law allowed them to drag out the process for so long. I wouldn't blame them for doing so. My argument is that the legislation/regulatory environment is to blame. There should be laws/regulation on the books to discourage/punish/recoup costs of behavior we consider unacceptable.
- gpderetta 3y ago
  Especially in Italy, the law often allows you to drag criminal trials so long that you might get scot-free because of the statute of limitations. The process should definitely be blamed for making trials so long, but that certainly that doesn't absolve the criminals.
  - singlow 3y ago
    I have never seen a statute of limitations that can expire if charges have already been initiated.
    - gpderetta 3y ago
      That's Italy for you!
- kombookcha 3y ago
  >The difference is that their actions here seem within the law? The law allowed them to drag out the process for so long. I wouldn't blame them for doing so. There absolutely should be reforms to the system to make this impossible, yes. In the meantime, we can discourage this by making them wear it. The decisions Airbnb made as an organization, have shown us all something about the company and the people in charge of it. If we can't sanction them legally, we at least can sanction their reputation.

gr__or 3y ago

There is a funny circularity here. Blaming them is part of, or the beginning of, the consequences.

krageon 3y ago

Because doing it makes you an asshole and a garbage person. The fabric holding society together is a little broader than just "you won't beat me for doing it so I will!". Thinking otherwise and then working for a corporation like this is how you get the terrible behaviour that is under discussion.