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Tutanota is now Tuta
- janandonly 3y agoWhat is even the difference between Tuta and Proton?
- CuriousCosmic 3y agoThe main ones for me: - (To my knowledge) Tuta doesn't have secondary services like VPN, etc. - Tuta intentionally does not provide a bridge for email. So everything with their service has to be done through their apps. If you want to use your own email client or command line tools (such as for submitting patchsets to mailing lists), that's not an option.
- Beijinger 3y ago"So everything with their service has to be done through their apps." What sane person would do this? Use infomaniak instead (Switzerland). Tuta seems to be a German company. There is another one, I forgot the name but a few friends of mine were using it. I used google, could not find it but I am actually surprised that there are many providers. E.g. https://www.qualityhosting.de/hosted-exchange/hosted-exchange-2016-uebersicht.html https://www.qualityhosting.de/hosted-exchange/hosted-exchang... https://www.netart.com/de/email/ https://www.netart.com/de/email/ Ah, found it: https://posteo.de/de https://posteo.de/de Surprised that there are so many players in this field.
- stevage 3y ago>What sane person would do this? I use Gmail, and have exclusively used the web app and Android app to access it, for, what, 15 years? I don't think it's insane, if those apps work well.
- mk89 3y agoIndeed, it seems that if you don't run your own kubernetes you're not cool enough. Products should just work the way they are intended to be. Apple built an empire on this simple concept. But hey, "open source all things" have decided I must use 4 products from 4 different providers to send an receive emails so that I am "safe".
- Beijinger 3y ago"But hey, "open source all things" have decided I must use 4 products from 4 different providers to send an receive emails so that I am "safe"." Depends. For my mother? She is fine with gmail. But an IT savvy person should consider having their own email domain. And why not host your own rss reader and a few other things. It is rarely a good idea to buy this out of one hand. So domain registrar (e.g. internet.bs ), email hosting (e.g. infomaniak.com ) and hosting (e.g. nearlyfreespeech.net ). So we are close to your 4 different providers. "Products should just work the way they are intended to be." Until they don't. Until you get blocked (try calling google email customer service). Or until they go bankrupt. Your license? Sorry, the server for license validation does not exist anymore. Or until somebody decides what you can do with the product and what not. Doing your own thing and using open source gives your freedom. if you don't pay for the product you are the product.
- mk89 3y ago> But an IT savvy person should consider having their own email domain. Having email domain is different than hosting your own email servers. And even that - why would I care so much? There are plenty of articles here on HN of people telling how hard it is to host your own email servers. Plus, tech-savvy doesn't mean I want to waste 2 hours a week updating managing servers etc., while I could maybe learn ... "Flutter"? Or technology X. Or something else completely different. In general, assuming what a group of people should or shouldn't do seems pretty naive to me. > if you don't pay for the product you are the product. I pay for Fastmail and it works. Until when? I can't tell - I hope they don't go bankrupt. But they offer a good service, decent price, and it gives me 1-2 hours of life back per week or month. I understand your counterarguments, however nowadays there is enough variety that enables us to use products and services for quite some time. Even open source can get you into "vendor" lock-in, especially when a tool or product doesn't evolve anymore and the community doesn't have interest or manpower to improve it.
- Piraty 3y agoposteo has good pgp support and employs wkd for easy key discovery
- Tomte 3y agoPosteo locks you in. They deliberately don't allow your own domain, and they lie about their reason, claiming privacy: "No. We are an email provider with a particular, privacy-oriented model – and this is not compatible with incorporating own domains."
- newscracker 3y agoYour citation is cut off and doesn’t show why Posteo says it won’t support this..I’m pasting the entire answer from Posteo on this topic [1] here: > Can I use Posteo with my own domains? > “No. We are an email provider with a particular, privacy-oriented model – and this is not compatible with incorporating own domains. One of our emphases is data economy: we do not collect any user information (names, addresses, etc) of our customers. We always answer requests from authorities for user information in the negative. On the other hand, own domains need to be registered to the name and address of a person. If you were able to use own domains with us, this would affect the entire concept of Posteo: we would need to start saving user information for all customers who use their own domains with us – and to provide these to the Federal Network Agency to be provided on request to the authorities. Even if only the MX record pointed to us, we would still need to store the assignment of the domain in your Posteo account as user information. Thus we would possess your user information and be required to give it out. For this reason, we have decided not to offer this possibility and instead to use data economy.” Whether this sounds fine or not and whether this is acceptable to someone or not is subjective. [1]: https://posteo.de/en/site/faq https://posteo.de/en/site/faq
- Tomte 3y ago> On the other hand, own domains need to be registered to the name and address of a person. So let the user decide. They can use non-de domains, they can use privacy shielding services. Posteo doesn't need any real name or address to put a domain in their mail configuration. That whole part is just more lies.
- maheshrjl 3y agoBased on my usage tuta has a dekstop client & app on F-droid. Protonmail has neither.
- Lanrei 3y agoIzzyOnDroid F-Droid Repo has Protonmail. Proton has a mail bridge application which let's you use desktop mail clients.
- seewhydee 3y agoThe desktop client is basically a web app, little different from running it in the browser. As for the app, I have been pretty unimpressed by it; performance is sluggish, and emails are displayed poorly (lots of unreadably small fonts with no options for text resizing). Worst of all, development seems to be either inactive, or so slow as to be undetectable. I paid for Tutanota and started switching to it from Gmail, but the accumulation of inconveniences is starting to make me consider switching back, in spite of all the Google privacy issues.
- WithinReason 3y agohttps://tuta.com/protonmail https://tuta.com/protonmail
- _8j50 3y agoSwitzerland vs Germany, laws and governmental coercion history. There is also the individuals running them and their background and scale of operation, proton is much more used so it is a bigger target but it also makes more money so more resources for tech and legal stuff.
- hackideiomat 3y agoProton does proper email crypto that works with other providers (normal PGP) and tuta does their own thing (not saying Proto is good tho, it's still a horrible web UI and comes with its risks)
- forgotpwd16 3y agoCan use Proton for accounts you will rarely check. Free accounts on Tutanota are deleted if haven't logged in 6 months. (And cannot remake one with same address unless you pay.)
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- jojojaf 3y agoTutanota is cheaper and allows as many custom domain email addresses as you like. Proton had some restriction like 5 or 10 or something
- protonmail 3y agoYou can find the comparison table here: https://proton.me/mail/proton-mail-vs-tutanota https://proton.me/mail/proton-mail-vs-tutanota.
- Tutanota 3y agoOr here: https://tuta.com/protonmail https://tuta.com/protonmail About your comparison: Why exactly do you believe Switzerland is better in terms of data protection than Germany? Do you not need to share data with the US as well upon request? The good thing - in both countries - is that it has legal oversight, besides the data on our servers is encrypted so we don't really see the location benefit here. And what about data retention laws in Switzerland? In the past, you said Protonmail is exempt from this as its too small. Would be interesting to know if this is still the case?
- protonmail 3y agoRegarding data retention, Proton won in Swiss court in 2021: https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy.
- Tutanota 3y agoThat's nice, well done!
- INTPenis 3y agoAs a Swede this really rolls of the tongue. Tuta punkt com. Very easy to recommend to an elderly relative for example. Now just make sure that elderly relative can sign up once they get to the landing page.
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- mstade 3y agoBa' tuta o' kör! :o)
- Mandatum 3y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/tutanota/comments/k3sfs5/comment/ge4xywc/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tutanota/comments/k3sfs5/comment/ge... With no guarantee of compliance, nor guarantee of a backdoor not being added to this service - it’s hard to put Tuta ahead of any other supposed privacy-first provider. They didn’t pull a TPB and tell the court to get fucked, and exit the country. So it’s hard to assume they’ll ever not comply with a backdoor order. So instead I’ll opt for the one least likely to go under, with the most features. And it’s not Tuta.
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- mmtml 3y agoAnd which one is it?
- schleck8 3y agoYou know that courts exist for a reason, right? I know for a fact that the most infamous ransomware organization at the moment, the one actively targeting hospitals with double extortion and then dumping terabytes of patient data including social security numbers, medical records etc. publicly, used Tutanota at one point to communicate with victims. This isn't an out of sight out of mind situation, if you ask for bulletproof hosting you will face consequences on way or another and you can't just ignore that in a calculation. Same as you don't ignore the consequences of abuse of political power clearly.
- aabhay 3y agoNo Indian would use this ;)
- martopix 3y agonow im dying to know what it means
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- MAMAMassakali 3y agoTuta huaaaa saaa email huuu mein!!
- reddalo 3y agoTuta means sweatshirt in Italian :)
- TruthWillHurt 3y agoAnd female lady-parts in Hebrew slang (and Arabic?)
- huhtenberg 3y agoIt is also one letter away from puta.
- kklisura 3y agoIn bosnian `tuta` is potty pot for toddlers.
- halflings 3y agoIt means "raspberry" in Arabic, and in Moroccan dialect at least it's slang for "good looking woman". Though it does sound like "tota", which in Moroccan dialect again is the childish synonym for penis :)) I guess any short name is bound to have weird meanings in other languages!
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- pgsandstrom 3y agoAnd "to sound the horn" in swedish :)
- johnchristopher 3y agoAnd in french it.. well.. no, nothing's coming up.
- sokols 3y agoIn (Gheg) Albanian means fear
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- theogravity 3y agoWonder how much it costed for that four letter .com name.
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- vasdae 3y agoTutanota is not Tuta (it still says tutanota everywhere)
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- quickthrower2 3y agotuta not a tutanota?
- hackideiomat 3y agothis joke could only be made once, and you did it gz
- ValtteriL 3y agoI used Tuta for both private and business use for a couple of years. Switched away because of terrible search experience and lack of SMTP and IMAP access. Tuta became understandably a walled garden that my other tools couldn't easily work with. This wasted alot of my time. Nowadays using $normalemailprovider with Thunderbird.
- marvel_boy 3y agoCan confirm, it is a terrible experience and waste of time.
- vincentkriek 3y agoWhat is $normalemailprovider? I have been looking for an alternative that is more standard, but it seems like only Fastmail is big in this space. The rest are small shops that don't convey a lot of confidence.
- Beijinger 3y agoFastmail is supposed to be good. But you can just buy your own domain with Email hosting. It is free with gandi.net. Or use https://www.infomaniak.com/ https://www.infomaniak.com/ Infomaniak also sells email hosting for around 20 Euro per year, they are based in Switzerland. If you have your own domain, just type the domain name as you would buy the domain and if the interface says domain taken, select email hosting (the three dots).
- Sukram21 3y agoGandi mailboxes are not free anymore (discussed e.g. here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777).
- Beijinger 3y agoC&P from the other thread: "So, further to recent changes at Gandi, I've just got some more info from support which I've included below. I've purchased domains from Gandi, pre-paying for multiple years of service such that some domains I have don't need renewing until 2027. When I purchased that service the offer was inclusive of 2 mailboxes for the duration of the contract, and now they're planning to remove those inclusive mailboxes and start charging me extra for them from next month. To me, this sounds like a planned and fully intentional breach of contract." Sorry, I was not aware that they changed. Currently I don't hold a domain with them. They were always a decent provider. This behavior seems very unfortunate.
- lemper 3y agoright, i forgot that this provider exists. decided to make an account. maybe in the future i will have the need to use secure messaging.
- lars_francke 3y agoI did search for E-Mail provider alternatives recently and came across a blog post by Drew DeVault: https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-recommendations.html https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-rec... He used to recommend mailbox.org and migadu. Two questions: 1) Does anyone know why he does not recommend Tuta(nota)? Edit: I missed the footnote > Do they make unfounded claims about security or privacy, or develop techniques which ultimately rely on trusting them instead of supporting or improving standards which rely on encryption? > This also rules out ProtonMail and Tutanota, doubly damning them, especially because it provides an excuse for skipping IMAP and SMTP, which conveniently enables vendor lock-in. I see from other comments that they don't support IMAP/SMTP and force their own apps. 2) Does anyone know why he stopped recommending mailbox.org? He changed it a few weeks ago without any explanation I can see.
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- hackideiomat 3y agoTuta is just weird. It's not really email, it's more like an encrypted chat. If you send a "mail" to someone who does not have tuta, guess what, they are invited to tuta xD
- Aldipower 3y agoNot true! This only applies, if you sent an encrypted mail. Which makes sense I guess?
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- Beijinger 3y agoHe seems to have a pretty clear idea what he is talking about. I mentioned infomaniak.com already as an Email provider (can bring you own domain). It is also Switzerland. But regarding law enforcement, posteo.de did a pretty decent job. E.g.: https://posteo-de.translate.goog/site/transparenzbericht_2014?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://posteo-de.translate.goog/site/transparenzbericht_201... I once saw a long post from posteo with examples for idiot law enforcement trying to get customer data. Sometimes even writing from private emails (e.g. gmail). Without a court order, such requests are not legit.
- abc_xyz 3y agoTutanota likes to tell everyone that they are literally Signal in the email world in terms of security. But there is a known vulnerability in their "E2EE": https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/768 https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/768 There is no way to verify key fingerprint of your recipient right now. So server can just man-in-the-middle you providing third-party key and read all messages silently. It is not e2e encryption if you have to trust the server. Period.
- unixhero 3y agoYou can slap PGP on top Presto
- nehal3m 3y agoBut you can do that with any provider right?
- unixhero 3y agoYes you may
- alwayslikethis 3y agoCan you? It's arguably much more annoying than other providers because you can't use a normal email interface. I've been trying to switch off it for a while and just use a normal provider with simplelogin slapped in front. Also, the spam filter isn't very good.
- tharne 3y agoYou can do this with any email. What's your point? The reason for the rise of email providers advertising encrypted email is because PGP is a pain for most people to use and never saw widespread adaption among regular users.
- unixhero 3y agoMy point is still true
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- quaintdev 3y agoTuta in Hindi means "broken". quaintdev@tuta.com sounds funny lol.
- Distilitron 3y agoTutanota is one of the uglier and at the same time pretentious projects. As far as I'm concerned, this crap can't be called e-mail at all. This is some crookedly made homemade work. They don't support the usual protocols for receiving mail, the search is just terrible, all kinds of freaks use them for their dark business, so these left-handed idiots have even started to be added to ban lists. I recently spent half a month persuading the bank because I stopped receiving notifications. And I would also like to see the "engineer" who invented encrypting letters to other providers using a "password". Well, that is, this whole team of developers, managers - they were not upset by such an idea at all. Implement PGP? Let everyone post public keys and write to each other? No! What nonsense! It's better to go somewhere through a browser and enter some crappy password. And should I trust these bastards with my mail? I would spit in their face. I think this row should be filed for bankruptcy.
- CTOSian 3y agoThey should replace the T with P on the new name, epic lolz
- amar0c 3y agoDid they "google images" this new name ? It's name for children potty on some languages
- tharne 3y agoThis is a good move, but I think the domain name for Tutanota needs to be simpler still, or at least more English-friendly if they want marketshare in the anglosphere. I used Tutanota for a bit. Great product,all around better than protonmail from technical and usability standpoint, but I stopped using it. Why? You don't realize how often you give out your email over the phone or to someone verbally. "Tutanota" is simply way too easy to screw up. Tootanota? Tutanoda? two-ta-what??? Even when there wasn't a struggle passing this along to someone, I'd always be worried that they wrote it down incorrectly. I know I could get my own domain, but still, the default email should offer a domain that's easy to spell (e.g. proton.me).
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- prirai 3y agoAnonaddy is now Addy.
- pentagrama 3y ago> Those who have stored account login credentials in their favorite web browser will need to transfer these credentials to the new domain to continue accessing the account. We have integrated an automatic transfer of the stored credentials, which you simply need to click through: Please visit the old login page "mail.tutanota.com" and you will be prompted to migrate your credentials with a few simple clicks. I didn't know that this was possible. It is a feature on browser's password managers? How it works?