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Have you ever read "The Player of Games" by Iain M. Banks? We won't win by allowing the enemy to make us more like them.

mschuster91 3y ago
> We won't win by allowing the enemy to make us more like them. I agree on that when it comes to a ton of the "anti terror" measures introduced after 9/11 because these are plain bullshit that don't do any objective good, other than annoy passengers. But regarding high tech capability? Not at all. We have to do everything we can to impede China's progress there, at all costs - because the cost of a Chinese victory would be outright catastrophic.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  If what separates the status quo from Chinese victory is having RISC-V chips, we already lost. (And spoiler: modern technology won't give them victory over the West. Not even close.)
  - germandiago 3y ago
    I think there are far ways in which we are destroying ourselves by not focusing in many of the important aspects AND not sticking to our values. If we promote free market (more or less, nothing is pure), freedom of speech and many others as those should be respected as much as it is possible. We are departing from that and I think it is harmful for us. We should not be blaming enemies for these things.
  - jakobson14 3y ago
    Do you want the suppler of low cost, powerful RISC-V based microcontrollers to be china or the USA? Oh wait, most of the good MCUs already come out of china these days, like the ESP32 (now made with RISC-V). If everyone is turning to chinese manufacturers for their fancy new microcontrollers, american firms stop making them or die. Now chna's the only supplier. Next thing you know, china's conflict with taiwan goes hot and china threatens to cut off exports of chips and products using them to anyone that intervenes. Sudently the USA takes the place of russia, who are scavenging STM32s from washing machines because of their war with ukraine.
MeImCounting 3y ago
"'War is a long cliff.' You can avoid the cliff completely, you can walk along the top for as long as you have the nerve, you can even choose to leap off, and if you only fall a short way before you hit a ledge you can always scramble back up again. Unless you’re just plain invaded, there are always choices, and even then, there’s usually something you’ve missed — a choice you didn’t make — that could have avoided invasion in the first place. You people still have your choices. There’s nothing inevitable about it.” -Banks - who ought to be quoted more often, here and elsewhere
retrocryptid 3y ago
It worked pretty well for us in WWII.

mschuster91 3y ago

> We won't win by allowing the enemy to make us more like them. I agree on that when it comes to a ton of the "anti terror" measures introduced after 9/11 because these are plain bullshit that don't do any objective good, other than annoy passengers. But regarding high tech capability? Not at all. We have to do everything we can to impede China's progress there, at all costs - because the cost of a Chinese victory would be outright catastrophic.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
If what separates the status quo from Chinese victory is having RISC-V chips, we already lost. (And spoiler: modern technology won't give them victory over the West. Not even close.)
- germandiago 3y ago
  I think there are far ways in which we are destroying ourselves by not focusing in many of the important aspects AND not sticking to our values. If we promote free market (more or less, nothing is pure), freedom of speech and many others as those should be respected as much as it is possible. We are departing from that and I think it is harmful for us. We should not be blaming enemies for these things.
- jakobson14 3y ago
  Do you want the suppler of low cost, powerful RISC-V based microcontrollers to be china or the USA? Oh wait, most of the good MCUs already come out of china these days, like the ESP32 (now made with RISC-V). If everyone is turning to chinese manufacturers for their fancy new microcontrollers, american firms stop making them or die. Now chna's the only supplier. Next thing you know, china's conflict with taiwan goes hot and china threatens to cut off exports of chips and products using them to anyone that intervenes. Sudently the USA takes the place of russia, who are scavenging STM32s from washing machines because of their war with ukraine.

MeImCounting 3y ago

"'War is a long cliff.' You can avoid the cliff completely, you can walk along the top for as long as you have the nerve, you can even choose to leap off, and if you only fall a short way before you hit a ledge you can always scramble back up again. Unless you’re just plain invaded, there are always choices, and even then, there’s usually something you’ve missed — a choice you didn’t make — that could have avoided invasion in the first place. You people still have your choices. There’s nothing inevitable about it.” -Banks - who ought to be quoted more often, here and elsewhere

retrocryptid 3y ago

It worked pretty well for us in WWII.