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You ever walked a mile carrying two armfuls of groceries? That’s brutal without a car, and without public transit nearby, that makes it incredibly inconvenient

You ever walked a mile carrying two armfuls of groceries? That’s brutal without a car, and without public transit nearby, that makes it incredibly inconvenient and difficult to have food in the fridge. Get outta here with your feigned sarcasm, it’s a legitimate problem.

hondo77 3y ago
Yes, I have. That's why I switched over to a foldable shopping cart. Cutting-edge 20th century technology for today's modern problems.
SirMaster 3y ago
Grocery stores? I thought all the young people are doing things like DoorDash, Hello Fresh or Amazon Fresh etc. Not saying they should be doing that so much, but seems like they aren’t interested in shopping at a Grocery store.
- tyg13 3y ago
  The smart and motivated ones will try to get to the grocery store. Unfortunately, for most, those services do so much more harm than good. What makes sense for a wealthy professional to pay for the convenience of food or grocery delivery ends up being a small fortune for a lot of young people who can't afford a car to go to the grocery store. It's a clear short- vs long-term thinking issue, but the reality is most young people are living with so little hope for the future that denying immediate pleasures in search of a future payoff seems naive and pointless.
sanderjd 3y ago
Yep, a mile is too far for a grocery store. We need more, smaller grocery stores. But the economics don't work out in most places. No idea how to solve this kind of issue.
- nradov 3y ago
  The small grocery stores in dense cities have limited selection and high prices (in order to cover high rents). So, everyone with a car drives out to larger supermarkets and big box stores outside of the urban core in order so save money (even though it might cost a little in terms of time and fuel) and have a better shopping experience. And then the only customers who shop at the smaller grocery stores are poor people who can't afford a car. I don't think this is really a solvable problem short of giving explicit city government subsidies to grocery stores in certain neighborhoods.
  - sanderjd 3y ago
    Indeed. But of course the "driving out to a big store" is also subsidized. It's only cheap because of all the roads that have been built, all the subsidies over the decades that have made fuel so cheap, and the ability to freely "socialize the externalities" of burning fossil fuels. But what I want is the ability to do a trip to a "big box" store further out once or twice a month, but be able to go somewhere close for smaller things day to day. But I definitely understand why the economics of this don't really work in most places. I just lament it.

hondo77 3y ago

Yes, I have. That's why I switched over to a foldable shopping cart. Cutting-edge 20th century technology for today's modern problems.

SirMaster 3y ago

Grocery stores? I thought all the young people are doing things like DoorDash, Hello Fresh or Amazon Fresh etc. Not saying they should be doing that so much, but seems like they aren’t interested in shopping at a Grocery store.

tyg13 3y ago
The smart and motivated ones will try to get to the grocery store. Unfortunately, for most, those services do so much more harm than good. What makes sense for a wealthy professional to pay for the convenience of food or grocery delivery ends up being a small fortune for a lot of young people who can't afford a car to go to the grocery store. It's a clear short- vs long-term thinking issue, but the reality is most young people are living with so little hope for the future that denying immediate pleasures in search of a future payoff seems naive and pointless.

sanderjd 3y ago

Yep, a mile is too far for a grocery store. We need more, smaller grocery stores. But the economics don't work out in most places. No idea how to solve this kind of issue.

nradov 3y ago
The small grocery stores in dense cities have limited selection and high prices (in order to cover high rents). So, everyone with a car drives out to larger supermarkets and big box stores outside of the urban core in order so save money (even though it might cost a little in terms of time and fuel) and have a better shopping experience. And then the only customers who shop at the smaller grocery stores are poor people who can't afford a car. I don't think this is really a solvable problem short of giving explicit city government subsidies to grocery stores in certain neighborhoods.
- sanderjd 3y ago
  Indeed. But of course the "driving out to a big store" is also subsidized. It's only cheap because of all the roads that have been built, all the subsidies over the decades that have made fuel so cheap, and the ability to freely "socialize the externalities" of burning fossil fuels. But what I want is the ability to do a trip to a "big box" store further out once or twice a month, but be able to go somewhere close for smaller things day to day. But I definitely understand why the economics of this don't really work in most places. I just lament it.