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XAI PromptIDE

146 points by meetpateltech 3y ago

qwertox 3y ago
Here are a couple of screen recordings https://twitter.com/TobyPhln/status/1721568711168192540 https://twitter.com/TobyPhln/status/1721568711168192540
orliesaurus 3y ago
Postman for prompts?
- turnsout 3y ago
  Yeah… how much of an advantage is this over putting your prompts under source control?
m3kw9 3y ago
Stil no idea what it is
- jejeyyy77 3y ago
  do some research about how these models work and what prompts are.
  - m3kw9 3y ago
    That won’t help
- seanhunter 3y ago
  It’s the sort of thing an engineering team builds when they have way too much time and no idea what to build. There is zero reason to use something like this over, say Jupyter notebooks and the advantages of notebook are obvious: actual researchers are already familiar with it, you can integrate everything into your data science workflow, visualise results etc
  - BryanBeshore 3y ago
    So, you’re telling me Twitter engineering was over staffed…
    - seanhunter 3y ago
      So you're telling me you think x.ai people and twitter engineering people are the same...
    - machdiamonds 3y ago
      It's obvious Twitter was overstaffed but xAI has less than 20 employees so definitely not the case there.
vinni2 3y ago
Early access is not available in Europe it seems.
- croes 3y ago
  >Participation in the early access program is currently limited to verified users. Only paying users.
  - waihtis 3y ago
    yes, but also geographically restricted
beepbooptheory 3y ago
If this stuff is so powerful, or going to be so powerful, is positioning like this wise? It kinda feels like it is aiming squarely at its own obsolescence. That is, if LLMs turn out to indeed be "the way forward," than surely the esoteric/specialized science of prompt engineering will fall away precisely in step with how much better next-gen LLMs are, right? Or to put another way, what is the ultimate value of LLMs in general if they are not aiming to make the very idea of "prompt engineering" obsolete?
- jasongill 3y ago
  I understand what you are saying. When OpenAI's API was still new, there was a LOT of "prompt engineering" required - a lot of proper formatting and tricks to get it to produce the required output, proper ways of formatting prompts with "few-shot" examples, etc. Packages like LangChain sprang up because trying to chain together multiple prompts with different inputs and outputs was becoming a bear. But then, within a few months, the LLM's got better and better to the point where the average ChatGPT user doesn't need to be a "prompt engineer" to get what they want. Sure, there are tricks with adding specific phrases to a prompt to get it to do a better job, but what we now consider "prompt engineering" and what was "prompt engineering" pre-ChatGPT are very different. LangChain, for example, has reacted by pivoting away from just prompt chaining and templating and into an ecosystem for agents and automated AI "bots". I think that may be overkill for many use cases, and there are good alternatives (Rivet is now my go-to) if you still want to build an LLM-powered app that just requires a specific logical path and specific inputs and outputs, but honestly if I was working at an "AI startup" I would probably be trying to focus my time on getting away from "prompts" and more just to "doing a good job of what you are told". I do think that "prompts" (especially chat-style conversations) lack a lot of the nuance that you need for a production-grade app especially when it comes to specific input and output formats, etc. Function calling helps a lot but I don't see why xAI is focusing on an IDE for writing a great prompt instead of building an LLM that can make good, structured output with just an "ok" prompt. The next year will be interesting - it hasn't even been a full year since ChatGPT was released, and look how far the industry has come since the closed-beta release of GPT-3.
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nothrowaways 3y ago
Llama 2 is still the most transparent and open source model.
- stainablesteel 3y ago
  even if this is true, to be fair to elon he donated to openai when it was a nonprofit and through some sketchy moves it was turned into a for-profit company where his donation should now be seen as an investment
  - jampekka 3y ago
    Not a fan of elon, but it was the bad old Micro$oft that turned OpenAI for-profit.
  - danso 3y ago
    To be fair to OpenAI, Musk determined that OpenAI had irreparably lost the race to Google and proposed that he be made CEO [0]. Musk's public complaints about OpenAI being profitable were years[1] after he had decided to abandon OpenAI. > But in early 2018, Musk told Sam Altman, another OpenAI founder, that he believed the venture had fallen fatally behind Google, people familiar with the matter said. > And Musk proposed a possible solution: He would take control of OpenAI and run it himself. > Altman and OpenAI’s other founders rejected Musk’s proposal. Musk, in turn, walked away from the company — and reneged on a massive planned donation. The fallout from that conflict, culminating in the announcement of Musk’s departure on Feb 20, 2018, would shape the industry that’s changing the world, and the company at the heart of it. [0] https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-histor... [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1626516035863212034?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1626516035863212034?s=20
    - sundarurfriend 3y ago
      > Musk determined That's a pretty strong way of stating what's basically hearsay from a pretty low effort article.
kkielhofner 3y ago
I have serious concerns about anything from X at this point. At the risk of going into some amateur psychological analysis of Elon Musk I think he's pretty well past the point of what happens to so many people insulated by wealth, power, influence, their carefully crafted bubbles/echo chambers, etc. For example, for all of his talk of bias I am completely unable to get positive and glowing reviews of Tesla stuff out of my X feed. Every single day I label the non-stop Tesla, Cybertruck, posts from Elon himself, etc as "Not interesting to me". I've never given the algorithm any reason to think I want this stuff repeatedly shoved in my face and actually quite the contrary as I've said. I've been doing this for at least a month and yet they persist. It's pretty clear he has his "thumb on the scale" (to put it mildly) for his own ample self-interests, ego, politics, etc. Plenty of people and platforms are of course prone to the same issues but from what I've seen this is so gallingly obvious with him and X it's borderline insulting to those of us that have a modicum of understanding of what's going on here. I think it's very highly likely this will be reflected in anything he or X produces.
- WORMS_EAT_WORMS 3y ago
  Would you mind posting a screenshot of your phone screentime? Just curious
  - kkielhofner 3y ago
    I overwhelmingly use X on desktop (browser) so I'm not sure how this would be helpful.
- starik36 3y ago
  Unfollow people that follow him and you won't get this content. My content used to be all over the place as well. After I've done the pruning, now it's various people talking about topics that I care about. Obviously it's not perfect - things leak through, but far better. Same with Facebook, my feed is now pretty much photos and news from friends and family.
- extr 3y ago
  It’s your algorithm. I mostly see content where he’s being dunked on or Tesla is the butt of a joke.
bilsbie 3y ago
Could someone explain this like I’m a time traveler from 2010?
- jareklupinski 3y ago
  Eclipse, but for Python instead of Java, and a textbox instead of Bonzi Buddy
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paxys 3y ago
Seems pretty...underwhelming as the first product of x.ai considering the initial announcement of its founding came with such a splash. This is more like someone trying to piggy-back off the popularity of LLMs with a trivial tool than driving the space forward in any way.
- Kiro 3y ago
  Isn't Grok their first product? This seems to be tooling for their main product.
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    - espadrine 3y ago
      It is also in that sour spot where it is completely closed, which might be fine (GPT-4, Claude 2) if it was much better than the open-source models, but that does not seem to be cut-and-dry: https://huggingface.co/openchat/openchat_3.5#comparison-with-xai-grok-models https://huggingface.co/openchat/openchat_3.5#comparison-with...
    - kklisura 3y ago
      Do we know on what it's been trained on? I'm having a hard time believing anything trained on tweets would yield anything useful.
axegon_ 3y ago
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markush_ 3y ago
The docs on https://x.ai/ide/docs https://x.ai/ide/docs gives away some of the source code. It's interesting that they are running Python in the browser.

146 points by meetpateltech 3y ago

Here are a couple of screen recordings https://twitter.com/TobyPhln/status/1721568711168192540 https://twitter.com/TobyPhln/status/1721568711168192540

orliesaurus 3y ago

Postman for prompts?

turnsout 3y ago
Yeah… how much of an advantage is this over putting your prompts under source control?

m3kw9 3y ago

Stil no idea what it is

jejeyyy77 3y ago
do some research about how these models work and what prompts are.
- m3kw9 3y ago
  That won’t help
seanhunter 3y ago
It’s the sort of thing an engineering team builds when they have way too much time and no idea what to build. There is zero reason to use something like this over, say Jupyter notebooks and the advantages of notebook are obvious: actual researchers are already familiar with it, you can integrate everything into your data science workflow, visualise results etc
- BryanBeshore 3y ago
  So, you’re telling me Twitter engineering was over staffed…
  - seanhunter 3y ago
    So you're telling me you think x.ai people and twitter engineering people are the same...
  - machdiamonds 3y ago
    It's obvious Twitter was overstaffed but xAI has less than 20 employees so definitely not the case there.

vinni2 3y ago

Early access is not available in Europe it seems.

croes 3y ago
>Participation in the early access program is currently limited to verified users. Only paying users.
- waihtis 3y ago
  yes, but also geographically restricted

beepbooptheory 3y ago

If this stuff is so powerful, or going to be so powerful, is positioning like this wise? It kinda feels like it is aiming squarely at its own obsolescence. That is, if LLMs turn out to indeed be "the way forward," than surely the esoteric/specialized science of prompt engineering will fall away precisely in step with how much better next-gen LLMs are, right? Or to put another way, what is the ultimate value of LLMs in general if they are not aiming to make the very idea of "prompt engineering" obsolete?

jasongill 3y ago
I understand what you are saying. When OpenAI's API was still new, there was a LOT of "prompt engineering" required - a lot of proper formatting and tricks to get it to produce the required output, proper ways of formatting prompts with "few-shot" examples, etc. Packages like LangChain sprang up because trying to chain together multiple prompts with different inputs and outputs was becoming a bear. But then, within a few months, the LLM's got better and better to the point where the average ChatGPT user doesn't need to be a "prompt engineer" to get what they want. Sure, there are tricks with adding specific phrases to a prompt to get it to do a better job, but what we now consider "prompt engineering" and what was "prompt engineering" pre-ChatGPT are very different. LangChain, for example, has reacted by pivoting away from just prompt chaining and templating and into an ecosystem for agents and automated AI "bots". I think that may be overkill for many use cases, and there are good alternatives (Rivet is now my go-to) if you still want to build an LLM-powered app that just requires a specific logical path and specific inputs and outputs, but honestly if I was working at an "AI startup" I would probably be trying to focus my time on getting away from "prompts" and more just to "doing a good job of what you are told". I do think that "prompts" (especially chat-style conversations) lack a lot of the nuance that you need for a production-grade app especially when it comes to specific input and output formats, etc. Function calling helps a lot but I don't see why xAI is focusing on an IDE for writing a great prompt instead of building an LLM that can make good, structured output with just an "ok" prompt. The next year will be interesting - it hasn't even been a full year since ChatGPT was released, and look how far the industry has come since the closed-beta release of GPT-3.
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nothrowaways 3y ago

Llama 2 is still the most transparent and open source model.

stainablesteel 3y ago
even if this is true, to be fair to elon he donated to openai when it was a nonprofit and through some sketchy moves it was turned into a for-profit company where his donation should now be seen as an investment
- jampekka 3y ago
  Not a fan of elon, but it was the bad old Micro$oft that turned OpenAI for-profit.
- danso 3y ago
  To be fair to OpenAI, Musk determined that OpenAI had irreparably lost the race to Google and proposed that he be made CEO [0]. Musk's public complaints about OpenAI being profitable were years[1] after he had decided to abandon OpenAI. > But in early 2018, Musk told Sam Altman, another OpenAI founder, that he believed the venture had fallen fatally behind Google, people familiar with the matter said. > And Musk proposed a possible solution: He would take control of OpenAI and run it himself. > Altman and OpenAI’s other founders rejected Musk’s proposal. Musk, in turn, walked away from the company — and reneged on a massive planned donation. The fallout from that conflict, culminating in the announcement of Musk’s departure on Feb 20, 2018, would shape the industry that’s changing the world, and the company at the heart of it. [0] https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-histor... [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1626516035863212034?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1626516035863212034?s=20
  - sundarurfriend 3y ago
    > Musk determined That's a pretty strong way of stating what's basically hearsay from a pretty low effort article.

kkielhofner 3y ago

I have serious concerns about anything from X at this point. At the risk of going into some amateur psychological analysis of Elon Musk I think he's pretty well past the point of what happens to so many people insulated by wealth, power, influence, their carefully crafted bubbles/echo chambers, etc. For example, for all of his talk of bias I am completely unable to get positive and glowing reviews of Tesla stuff out of my X feed. Every single day I label the non-stop Tesla, Cybertruck, posts from Elon himself, etc as "Not interesting to me". I've never given the algorithm any reason to think I want this stuff repeatedly shoved in my face and actually quite the contrary as I've said. I've been doing this for at least a month and yet they persist. It's pretty clear he has his "thumb on the scale" (to put it mildly) for his own ample self-interests, ego, politics, etc. Plenty of people and platforms are of course prone to the same issues but from what I've seen this is so gallingly obvious with him and X it's borderline insulting to those of us that have a modicum of understanding of what's going on here. I think it's very highly likely this will be reflected in anything he or X produces.

WORMS_EAT_WORMS 3y ago
Would you mind posting a screenshot of your phone screentime? Just curious
- kkielhofner 3y ago
  I overwhelmingly use X on desktop (browser) so I'm not sure how this would be helpful.
starik36 3y ago
Unfollow people that follow him and you won't get this content. My content used to be all over the place as well. After I've done the pruning, now it's various people talking about topics that I care about. Obviously it's not perfect - things leak through, but far better. Same with Facebook, my feed is now pretty much photos and news from friends and family.
extr 3y ago
It’s your algorithm. I mostly see content where he’s being dunked on or Tesla is the butt of a joke.

bilsbie 3y ago

Could someone explain this like I’m a time traveler from 2010?

jareklupinski 3y ago
Eclipse, but for Python instead of Java, and a textbox instead of Bonzi Buddy
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paxys 3y ago

Seems pretty...underwhelming as the first product of x.ai considering the initial announcement of its founding came with such a splash. This is more like someone trying to piggy-back off the popularity of LLMs with a trivial tool than driving the space forward in any way.

Kiro 3y ago
Isn't Grok their first product? This seems to be tooling for their main product.
- paxys 3y ago
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  - espadrine 3y ago
    It is also in that sour spot where it is completely closed, which might be fine (GPT-4, Claude 2) if it was much better than the open-source models, but that does not seem to be cut-and-dry: https://huggingface.co/openchat/openchat_3.5#comparison-with-xai-grok-models https://huggingface.co/openchat/openchat_3.5#comparison-with...
  - kklisura 3y ago
    Do we know on what it's been trained on? I'm having a hard time believing anything trained on tweets would yield anything useful.

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markush_ 3y ago

The docs on https://x.ai/ide/docs https://x.ai/ide/docs gives away some of the source code. It's interesting that they are running Python in the browser.