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They're ok with it when it goes to the ASF; which is not what's going on here.

by seany 3y ago

ensignavenger 3y ago
Matrix even has a foundation, they could have the CLA go tot he Matrix Foundation... but they aren't. Even then, I trust the Apache Foundation more than the Matrix Foundation- not that I have any particular distrust of the Matrix Foundation up to this point, just that they don't have the same track record as the Apache Foundation.
- ensignavenger 3y ago
  On their blog post, they claim to use the "standard Apache CLA" which indeed does grant the license to the ASF... presumably they plan to modify the CLA to grant the license to Element... but I haven't been successful finding a copy of their modifications. The Apache CLA also contains a critical clause : "In return, the Foundation shall not use Your Contributions in a way that is contrary to the public benefit or inconsistent with its nonprofit status and bylaws in effect at the time of the Contribution." Based on the Element blog-post as well as comments they have made here... I doubt they plan to keep that clause in place.
  - camgunz 3y ago
    > Based on the Element blog-post as well as comments they have made here... I doubt they plan to keep that clause in place. I'm trying to understand your objection, but I can't see how the community can suffer here. Even in the worst case scenario where the foundation versions wither and Element takes their versions closed source, can't the community fork the latest open source AGPL versions and continue the work?
camgunz 3y ago
I don't know if there's a copy of Element's CLA, and until there is we don't know that. People are free to use the existing Apache-licensed versions of Synapse/Dendrite, they just won't get Element's contributions. Basically all this means is you can't resell Element's work for free. If you really want to build a business around the Apache Synapse/Dendrite, you're free to do exactly what Element is doing right now. I don't get what the problem is.

They're ok with it when it goes to the ASF; which is not what's going on here.

by seany 3y ago

They're ok with it when it goes to the ASF; which is not what's going on here.

Matrix even has a foundation, they could have the CLA go tot he Matrix Foundation... but they aren't. Even then, I trust the Apache Foundation more than the Matrix Foundation- not that I have any particular distrust of the Matrix Foundation up to this point, just that they don't have the same track record as the Apache Foundation.

ensignavenger 3y ago
On their blog post, they claim to use the "standard Apache CLA" which indeed does grant the license to the ASF... presumably they plan to modify the CLA to grant the license to Element... but I haven't been successful finding a copy of their modifications. The Apache CLA also contains a critical clause : "In return, the Foundation shall not use Your Contributions in a way that is contrary to the public benefit or inconsistent with its nonprofit status and bylaws in effect at the time of the Contribution." Based on the Element blog-post as well as comments they have made here... I doubt they plan to keep that clause in place.
- camgunz 3y ago
  > Based on the Element blog-post as well as comments they have made here... I doubt they plan to keep that clause in place. I'm trying to understand your objection, but I can't see how the community can suffer here. Even in the worst case scenario where the foundation versions wither and Element takes their versions closed source, can't the community fork the latest open source AGPL versions and continue the work?

camgunz 3y ago

I don't know if there's a copy of Element's CLA, and until there is we don't know that. People are free to use the existing Apache-licensed versions of Synapse/Dendrite, they just won't get Element's contributions. Basically all this means is you can't resell Element's work for free. If you really want to build a business around the Apache Synapse/Dendrite, you're free to do exactly what Element is doing right now. I don't get what the problem is.