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"was extremely banned in 2015" Just made me laugh. How are someone "extremly" banned? Either you are banned or not.

thaumasiotes 3y ago
> How are someone "extremly" banned? Either you are banned or not. You might be found to have committed 170 different bannable offenses. Banning is idempotent, so there wouldn't be any difference in the penalty, but such a person would be describable as "more banned" than other users. Similarly, you might be found to have committed offenses which put you well over the threshold for banning. This too would make you "more banned" than other users who were more borderline.
- hnbad 3y ago
  FWIW the clear difference here is that if someone is banned over one thing, their ban might later be reversed if that thing is no longer considered bannable or if opinions on the incident change. If they did 170 different things, each one warranting a ban, the only way for the ban to be lifted would be for each of those 170 things being dismissed individually. The same goes for doing one bannable thing but "a lot" or to a very extreme degree. Say, defacing a Wikipedia article with a bogus message versus defacing the entire Wikipedia website with borderline illegal graphic content. There's arguably no "mildly" banned but this distinction makes sense in a lot of contexts to give a rough idea of context: a corpse is dead but the scattered remains of someone caught up in a high yield explosions are extremely dead as even in a sci-fi story it would be hard to imagine them being "revived", a dainty woman might be pregnant but if she's visibly close to delivery with a pronounced waddle and struggling to get up after sitting down, it would be fair to call her extremely pregnant as there's no denying her state whereas the pregnancy might have been hard to even notice a few months earlier. English lacks a grammatical signifier for evidence or degrees of confidence (no, the English subjunctive is a poor approximation at best and mostly limited to expressing explicit doubt) so superlatives are a good way to express high levels of confidence. "I am banned" means you're banned but leaves room for the possibility that this might change or be reversed. "I am extremely banned" suggests it's that way now and there's nothing to change that and nobody will likely ever be interested in changing that in the future.
mschuster91 3y ago
> How are someone "extremly" banned? Either you are banned or not. This Wikipedia page [1] explains the different categories of bans in use on the English Wikipedia. Additionally, there are also a couple of handfuls of "global bans" wherein an individual is banned from every Wikimedia project [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Site_ban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Site_... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_bans https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_bans
pndy 3y ago
Probably just like in the most scenarios nowadays: user gets ban and cannot appeal the decision in any way Perhaps in the basic form of dealing with users who break the rules Wikipedia allows an appeal or bans are temporary - I'm just guessing, I stopped being an active Wiki user some 10 years ago. I didn't want to lose nerves on trivial issues like edit wars with self-appointed experts who couldn't accept they might be wrong. Also, I've found some 2 days ago that my IP range was banned from anonymous edits because someone somewhere did once something
nmeofthestate 3y ago
People sometimes use language in a playful manner, for humorous effect.
- moffkalast 3y ago
  People sometimes hit other people with a bone of the upper arm, for humerus effect.
HlessClaudesman 3y ago
One rung on the ban ladder beneath infinity banned.
- kurtreed2 3y ago
  Sometimes "sockpuppet abusers" aren't just banned. They get doxxed on LTA (Long Term Abuse) pages and so on with their IP addresses, locations, habits, names, and even off-wiki activities. Talk about a GDPR violation.
TheSmoke 3y ago
this reminded me of the /KLINEs on the IRC servers. you'd first /KILL someone then you'd KLINE their username if they didn't behave, then you'd KLINE their IP. then there's /GLINE which would effectively do the same thing but for the entire network.
stonewhite 3y ago
Makes me think of the "Impaled with Extreme Prejudice" anime trope. I guess sometimes it is necessary https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpaledWithExtre...

> How are someone "extremly" banned? Either you are banned or not. You might be found to have committed 170 different bannable offenses. Banning is idempotent, so there wouldn't be any difference in the penalty, but such a person would be describable as "more banned" than other users. Similarly, you might be found to have committed offenses which put you well over the threshold for banning. This too would make you "more banned" than other users who were more borderline.

hnbad 3y ago
FWIW the clear difference here is that if someone is banned over one thing, their ban might later be reversed if that thing is no longer considered bannable or if opinions on the incident change. If they did 170 different things, each one warranting a ban, the only way for the ban to be lifted would be for each of those 170 things being dismissed individually. The same goes for doing one bannable thing but "a lot" or to a very extreme degree. Say, defacing a Wikipedia article with a bogus message versus defacing the entire Wikipedia website with borderline illegal graphic content. There's arguably no "mildly" banned but this distinction makes sense in a lot of contexts to give a rough idea of context: a corpse is dead but the scattered remains of someone caught up in a high yield explosions are extremely dead as even in a sci-fi story it would be hard to imagine them being "revived", a dainty woman might be pregnant but if she's visibly close to delivery with a pronounced waddle and struggling to get up after sitting down, it would be fair to call her extremely pregnant as there's no denying her state whereas the pregnancy might have been hard to even notice a few months earlier. English lacks a grammatical signifier for evidence or degrees of confidence (no, the English subjunctive is a poor approximation at best and mostly limited to expressing explicit doubt) so superlatives are a good way to express high levels of confidence. "I am banned" means you're banned but leaves room for the possibility that this might change or be reversed. "I am extremely banned" suggests it's that way now and there's nothing to change that and nobody will likely ever be interested in changing that in the future.

mschuster91 3y ago

> How are someone "extremly" banned? Either you are banned or not. This Wikipedia page [1] explains the different categories of bans in use on the English Wikipedia. Additionally, there are also a couple of handfuls of "global bans" wherein an individual is banned from every Wikimedia project [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Site_ban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Site_... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_bans https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_bans

pndy 3y ago

Probably just like in the most scenarios nowadays: user gets ban and cannot appeal the decision in any way Perhaps in the basic form of dealing with users who break the rules Wikipedia allows an appeal or bans are temporary - I'm just guessing, I stopped being an active Wiki user some 10 years ago. I didn't want to lose nerves on trivial issues like edit wars with self-appointed experts who couldn't accept they might be wrong. Also, I've found some 2 days ago that my IP range was banned from anonymous edits because someone somewhere did once something

nmeofthestate 3y ago

People sometimes use language in a playful manner, for humorous effect.

moffkalast 3y ago
People sometimes hit other people with a bone of the upper arm, for humerus effect.

HlessClaudesman 3y ago

One rung on the ban ladder beneath infinity banned.

kurtreed2 3y ago
Sometimes "sockpuppet abusers" aren't just banned. They get doxxed on LTA (Long Term Abuse) pages and so on with their IP addresses, locations, habits, names, and even off-wiki activities. Talk about a GDPR violation.

TheSmoke 3y ago

this reminded me of the /KLINEs on the IRC servers. you'd first /KILL someone then you'd KLINE their username if they didn't behave, then you'd KLINE their IP. then there's /GLINE which would effectively do the same thing but for the entire network.

stonewhite 3y ago

Makes me think of the "Impaled with Extreme Prejudice" anime trope. I guess sometimes it is necessary https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpaledWithExtre...