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Streetcars/Trams can have a lot mote capacity than a bus. Cities such as Paris, Rio de Janeiro, Constantine use 7 section Alstom Citadis trams, and there is ev

by sofixa 3y ago

Streetcars/Trams can have a lot mote capacity than a bus. Cities such as Paris, Rio de Janeiro, Constantine use 7 section Alstom Citadis trams, and there is even a 9 section version. Articulated buses stop at ~3 sections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Citadis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Citadis

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
I did say slightly more capacity? A tram in bern has a bit more capacity than an electric caterpillar bus used in Lausanne. They aren’t doing many 7 section trams in Bern because much if their routes aren’t completely grade separated. I’ve actually never seen a 7 section tram anywhere, including Paris…a new thing?
- sofixa 3y ago
  > I did say slightly more capacity Almost double (a Citadis tram can accomodate up to 370, "super articulated" buses like the Citaro CapaCity up to 200) isn't slightly more. > They aren’t doing many 7 section trams in Bern because much if their routes aren’t completely grade separated It's not the grade separation that matters, but turn radii and intersection length and distance (basically can such a tram fit in the physical space available). > I’ve actually never seen a 7 section tram anywhere, including Paris…a new thing Paris Tram T3(a and b) have been using 7 section trams since the original opening as T3 in 2006. According to Wikipedia there are at least 8 cities with 7 section Citadis, and at least one with 9 sections (Dublin) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Citadis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Citadis . And of course this isn't the only model of modern trams in existance, there's also Bombardier's models (acquired by Alstom), Siemens, Pesa, Solaris, Stadler, etc.
  - iggldiggl 3y ago
    I don't know if sections is really the ideal measurement unit for trams – maybe metres makes a bit more sense. Double-articulated buses are usually around 25 m long. In Germany, the default maximum legal length for a tram running in road traffic (including on dedicated transit lanes [1]) is 75 m. Of course not every tram network goes up to that limit, but at least ~40 m isn't too uncommon, which also approximatively corresponds to the length of a seven-section Citadis (around 43 or 44 m). [1] Unless all intersections with road traffic are signalized as full-on railway-style level crossings.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  Basel should have plenty, no?

by sofixa 3y ago

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

I did say slightly more capacity? A tram in bern has a bit more capacity than an electric caterpillar bus used in Lausanne. They aren’t doing many 7 section trams in Bern because much if their routes aren’t completely grade separated. I’ve actually never seen a 7 section tram anywhere, including Paris…a new thing?

sofixa 3y ago
> I did say slightly more capacity Almost double (a Citadis tram can accomodate up to 370, "super articulated" buses like the Citaro CapaCity up to 200) isn't slightly more. > They aren’t doing many 7 section trams in Bern because much if their routes aren’t completely grade separated It's not the grade separation that matters, but turn radii and intersection length and distance (basically can such a tram fit in the physical space available). > I’ve actually never seen a 7 section tram anywhere, including Paris…a new thing Paris Tram T3(a and b) have been using 7 section trams since the original opening as T3 in 2006. According to Wikipedia there are at least 8 cities with 7 section Citadis, and at least one with 9 sections (Dublin) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Citadis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Citadis . And of course this isn't the only model of modern trams in existance, there's also Bombardier's models (acquired by Alstom), Siemens, Pesa, Solaris, Stadler, etc.
- iggldiggl 3y ago
  I don't know if sections is really the ideal measurement unit for trams – maybe metres makes a bit more sense. Double-articulated buses are usually around 25 m long. In Germany, the default maximum legal length for a tram running in road traffic (including on dedicated transit lanes [1]) is 75 m. Of course not every tram network goes up to that limit, but at least ~40 m isn't too uncommon, which also approximatively corresponds to the length of a seven-section Citadis (around 43 or 44 m). [1] Unless all intersections with road traffic are signalized as full-on railway-style level crossings.
Moldoteck 3y ago
Basel should have plenty, no?