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For many older people it died in the 90s. When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else. I watc

For many older people it died in the 90s. When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else. I watch some of the old VHS I took and people are crowding the speakers and the floor is alive, while nowadays so much of what I see is people all facing a DJ lit up by a spotlight and just standing their bobbing their head.

hackernewds 3y ago
The new generation have ruined their generation being unlike the older ones, alas!
- Moto7451 3y ago
  “Kids these days” - My toddler, 30 years from now
- makeitshine 3y ago
  Some things do change for the worse, others for the better. Smaller, more tight knit communities, like raves were in the 80s and early 90s were, in my mind, better than the predominately business-oriented DJ-festishization parties of today. There are good parties still going on, but it's not the primary mover of the rave scene like it once was. Kids these days may not need those scenes as much these days, since they're more open to people who are different. Much of the early rave scene was for people that didn't fit in, for whatever reason.
joaonmatos 3y ago
I see a lot of issues with phones as many people say, but you go to KitKat on your average night and you see plenty of people dancing.
- ben_w 3y ago
  I've never been to KitKat, though I've been past it a few times. Given the reputation, I'd be surprised if they ever allowed cameras or devices with them.
  - Blahah 3y ago
    They don't allow phones past the cloakroom in Kitkat, and pretty much anyone in there will immediately challenge anyone who sneaks one past. All the other clubs tend to just have stickers over the cameras, and will still kick anyone out who's seen to be videoing or taking photos.
PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
"it wasn't better back then, you were just younger" - unknown internet pundit
- WXLCKNO 3y ago
  In my city for a national holiday we used to have an absolute massive unrestricted party everywhere uptown. You'd wake up in a tree somewhere and everyone was friendly as hell. Volunteers would pick up afterwards. Then a new mayor came in and ruined it all, locked it down, limited the area and basically killed the spirit of it. I was younger sure but it was so much better. Applies to lots of things that get ruined.
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    since it's not a thing anymore, can you share which city?
- aaron695 3y ago
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- ulizzle 3y ago
  They actually were better back then which is what drives people crazy. I think it’s because the older generations (us) didn’t put any value in tradition, so we weren’t able to preserve ours.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    Your logic requires, it seems, that things have been getting worse for ever. Or is there some point where you think cohort "value in tradition" was different?
    - sidlls 3y ago
      How do you infer such a generalization when the OP was referring to something very specific? It's possible for them to believe that the techno/rave/DJ scene is worse now, and that other similar culture/social activities done now are not.
quchen 3y ago
Those places very much still exist. I've been to plenty this year. They are just not very well represented on social media, surprise.
inopinatus 3y ago
I was standing there bobbing my head in the 90s. It's tough being a pioneer.
crucialfelix 3y ago
Which is exactly the crap that Berghain is protecting itself from with it's strict door policy. The dancefloor is pure sound, the DJ is visible but not the center.
stinos 3y ago
When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else That might have happened in some particular scenes, but: - the exact same thing kept on going, maybe shifted a bit to more underground things; I don't know what type of parties you are referring to, but the stuff I frequent has been using the same principle for a long time: it is often so that one cannot even see the DJ because they're covered in the decoration and/or the DJ is in the back of the place and people dance to the speakers in the front - not all concerts are the same. I get what you mean about 'DJ in the spotlight' which is just somewhat saddening especially if they're just pushing some buttons or even faking it, but at least for me there is something about proper interaction between DJ or band and the crowd which I also really like. I have fond memories of small parties where we'd be going crazy in front of the DJ because they'd build this really nice story in the mix where we'd knew what was coming and they know we knew and that would lead to an even better feeling of togetherness. So even though they're in the front they'd actually be part of the crowd as well.
yieldcrv 3y ago
> while nowadays so much of what I see there's your problem, you're not there. there are other things happening in the crowd. all you see are tall guys with the longest arms holding up their phones taking videos of other phones.

hackernewds 3y ago

The new generation have ruined their generation being unlike the older ones, alas!

Moto7451 3y ago
“Kids these days” - My toddler, 30 years from now
makeitshine 3y ago
Some things do change for the worse, others for the better. Smaller, more tight knit communities, like raves were in the 80s and early 90s were, in my mind, better than the predominately business-oriented DJ-festishization parties of today. There are good parties still going on, but it's not the primary mover of the rave scene like it once was. Kids these days may not need those scenes as much these days, since they're more open to people who are different. Much of the early rave scene was for people that didn't fit in, for whatever reason.

joaonmatos 3y ago

I see a lot of issues with phones as many people say, but you go to KitKat on your average night and you see plenty of people dancing.

ben_w 3y ago
I've never been to KitKat, though I've been past it a few times. Given the reputation, I'd be surprised if they ever allowed cameras or devices with them.
- Blahah 3y ago
  They don't allow phones past the cloakroom in Kitkat, and pretty much anyone in there will immediately challenge anyone who sneaks one past. All the other clubs tend to just have stickers over the cameras, and will still kick anyone out who's seen to be videoing or taking photos.

PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago

"it wasn't better back then, you were just younger" - unknown internet pundit

WXLCKNO 3y ago
In my city for a national holiday we used to have an absolute massive unrestricted party everywhere uptown. You'd wake up in a tree somewhere and everyone was friendly as hell. Volunteers would pick up afterwards. Then a new mayor came in and ruined it all, locked it down, limited the area and basically killed the spirit of it. I was younger sure but it was so much better. Applies to lots of things that get ruined.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  since it's not a thing anymore, can you share which city?
aaron695 3y ago
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ulizzle 3y ago
They actually were better back then which is what drives people crazy. I think it’s because the older generations (us) didn’t put any value in tradition, so we weren’t able to preserve ours.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  Your logic requires, it seems, that things have been getting worse for ever. Or is there some point where you think cohort "value in tradition" was different?
  - sidlls 3y ago
    How do you infer such a generalization when the OP was referring to something very specific? It's possible for them to believe that the techno/rave/DJ scene is worse now, and that other similar culture/social activities done now are not.

quchen 3y ago

Those places very much still exist. I've been to plenty this year. They are just not very well represented on social media, surprise.

inopinatus 3y ago

I was standing there bobbing my head in the 90s. It's tough being a pioneer.

crucialfelix 3y ago

Which is exactly the crap that Berghain is protecting itself from with it's strict door policy. The dancefloor is pure sound, the DJ is visible but not the center.

stinos 3y ago

When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else That might have happened in some particular scenes, but: - the exact same thing kept on going, maybe shifted a bit to more underground things; I don't know what type of parties you are referring to, but the stuff I frequent has been using the same principle for a long time: it is often so that one cannot even see the DJ because they're covered in the decoration and/or the DJ is in the back of the place and people dance to the speakers in the front - not all concerts are the same. I get what you mean about 'DJ in the spotlight' which is just somewhat saddening especially if they're just pushing some buttons or even faking it, but at least for me there is something about proper interaction between DJ or band and the crowd which I also really like. I have fond memories of small parties where we'd be going crazy in front of the DJ because they'd build this really nice story in the mix where we'd knew what was coming and they know we knew and that would lead to an even better feeling of togetherness. So even though they're in the front they'd actually be part of the crowd as well.

yieldcrv 3y ago

> while nowadays so much of what I see there's your problem, you're not there. there are other things happening in the crowd. all you see are tall guys with the longest arms holding up their phones taking videos of other phones.