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I cannot stress enough how much i deeply and utterly despise sunset at 16:14. Getting up before dawn? Great, i’m getting the drop on the day! Eating lunch in
by hprotagonist 3y ago
I cannot stress enough how much i deeply and utterly despise sunset at 16:14.
Getting up before dawn? Great, i’m getting the drop on the day!
Eating lunch in the fading light of the late afternoon, and dinner in full dark? The absolute pits.
- 7e 3y agoHonestly, you should be skipping dinner in winter. Your body isn’t active enough to need any food in the evenings. Just keep it as bright as you can until it’s time for bed, then switch everything off. It’s a lot easier to turn off artificial light than it is to try to sleep when the sun is still shining.
- bichiliad 3y agoI think that assumes a lot about what people do in the winter. I do most of my running in the winter because the summers are too hot to run, for instance.
- 7e 3y agoYes, it’s obviously a generalization. All else equal, the summer days are longer and the people are less lethargic.
- paulcole 3y ago> Honestly, you should be skipping dinner in winter Do you just sit around while your friends and family eat? Do you just not enjoy eating food? I’d be sad and bored if I skipped dinner as my default for an entire season.
- irrational 3y agoI swim three miles at a rapid pace before I go home in the evening. How far and fast do I need to swim to achieve an active state so I can eat dinner?
- 7e 3y agoIf you spend one a half hours every day swimming, I commend you. Your comment is a bit low effort. Did you assume I was talking about you specifically? That’s a bit absurd.
- tacitusarc 3y agoTo be fair, you did say “you” and “your”, inviting the reader to assume you are writing specifically for them.
- usr1106 3y agoI am grown up in Germany with the old wisdom that lunch should be the main meal and dinner should lighter and around 6 pm, 7 at the latest. Nothing after that. Whether that's correct or not I don't want to debate. There are for sure many different opinions. I know only 1 obese person who might have been living somewhat according to that rule, the vast majority isn't overweight.
- LeoPanthera 3y agoWhy does it matter what number is displayed on the clock? Can't you just wake up earlier or later to your preference?
- Apocryphon 3y agoNot if they’re working.
- ceejayoz 3y agoOr have kids in school.
- dryheat3 3y agolol. Sure, as long as you don’t have to report to a job everyday. Very few have the privilege of adjusting their sleep/wake cycle to correspond with the changing seasons.
- thsksbd 3y agoWell the daylight savings advocates who want to force 10 pm sunsets on everybody can wake up earlier if they wish to have an extra hour of sunlight. For everyone else, no. We cant sleep in for an hour.
- saithound 3y agoThat's not how it works. The time when my kids go to school is determined by the current official time, not when I choose to wake up. It's regulated by federal and state laws, and local bylaws. The visitation times at the hospital, court appearances, etc. are all set to the current official time, not when I choose to wake up. It's regulated by federal and state laws, and local bylaws. The airport curfew is determined by the official time, not when I choose to wake up. It's regulated by federal and state laws, and local bylaws. Your point would make sense if everyone had to do only one thing every day, and people existed in small (< Dunbar's number) isolated communities. But we don't: people do multiple things, interact with different communities; all these schedules are interdependent, and many of them set by legislation. Changing all of them is a problem that requires coordination, which is exactly the kind of thing we maintain governments for. The current coordination point is that it's convenient if all these things move one hour forward in the summer, and the mechanism to achieve this is that we change clocks twice a year, instead of the vastly more difficult alternative of maintaining two separate sets of schedules for everything. But it looks like consensus is moving on (again!), and people no longer think that pushing everything forward by one hour in the summer is a good idea (or rather, they think moving it back for the winter is a bad idea). So they'll use the coordination mechanism to make it so.
- Al-Khwarizmi 3y agoWhere I live, we are extremely privileged in this respect - being at the western edge of a timezone that stretches further than its "natural" length, we even get sunsets past 22 in June. And you know what, it rocks. I see no significant drawbacks. During much of the year it's dark when we go to work, so what? For most people work is in offices with artificial lighting, leisure time is when you need the sun. Some people also talk about problems for kids but mine (4 year old) has no discernable problems to get up (given regular routine enforcement) and he loves being in the playground until dinner time, for which evening sun helps. The funny thing is that some people strongly advocate changing timezone to advance the clock 1 hour, saying that we are in the "wrong" one, it's not "natural", etc. But then you talk with them and many of them are confused about how it would work and think that the timezone change would give more evening sun in the winter. Explaining that it would do the opposite brings looks of terror. Of course there is a minority of people who do support that change knowing the practical consequences, but it seems to be a rather small minority.
- wackget 3y agoWhereabouts are you?
- Al-Khwarizmi 3y agoIn the region of Galicia, northwestern Spain.
- jghn 3y agoMeanwhile I'm on the eastern edge of a timzeone that arguably stretches further than its "natural" length. I remember moving here as a kid and being pissed off when it'd be dark at 16h. I'd be all for us being permanent DST but as that's not allowed it'd be great if we could shift a timezone and stay standard time
- torstenvl 3y agoI think your math is wrong on this. Advancing the clock one hour (e.g., by making DST permanent) would indeed give more evening sun in the winter.
- sys_64738 3y agoMy way of dealing with it is to get up before sunrise to maximize the daylight hours. Then it doesn't seem so bad to me.
- gehwartzen 3y agoFor me standard (9-5) work hours are dometimrd the problem. I can't do the same leisure things in an hour before work vs an hour after work because I still in the first I will have to go to work after so no drinking, getting high or relaxing without a thought of "work" coming up soon. As long as I can work earlier and leave earlier i'm good though. We just need more flexible work schedules in general.
- loloquwowndueo 3y agoThat’s the actual, correct time for sunset in your latitude. Don’t like it? Move further south.
- kerkeslager 3y agoDon't like it? Uproot your life and family, potentially switch jobs, leave behind your friends, all so you can solve an artificially-created problem that I have arbitrarily decided is actual and correct!
- eyelidlessness 3y agoWith apologies to Douglas Adams… Time is an illusion. Sunset time doubly so. We already pick arbitrary times for sunset twice a year. Nobody has to move anywhere to pick one arbitrary time for sunset and leave it that way. There’s nothing inherently “correct” about setting the time based on where the sun is positioned in the sky at “noon”, sometimes, from certain arbitrary points of observation.
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- not_the_fda 3y agoSunset isn't arbitrary, Its defined as the time the sun transitions below the horizon of your location. Its time varies based on where you are on earth and where the earth is in relation to the sun, but its not arbitrary.
- eyelidlessness 3y agoThat’s not what I said was arbitrary. The time we assign to it is arbitrary. It already is arbitrary, there isn’t any “correct” time of day to assign to it at any location. To the extent assigning a time at all serves a particular purpose, it’s a social purpose, and its assignment should be based on that.
- deathanatos 3y ago… my darkest day is similar — sunset will be at 1611 — so this sounds like similar latitudes. But … assuming lunch is at roughly noon or so, that's just barely past solar noon, not "the fading light of the late afternoon"…
- gehwartzen 3y agolots of people have lunch at 2 or 3 in the afternoon and it does feel that way in the winter
- noncoml 3y agoLunch in UK, 12 o’clock sharp! Lunch in Spain 2pm-3pm
- kylecazar 3y agoBack when I'd commute a long distance to work (in NYC), it was so demoralizing to be in a 4PM meeting, it be DARK outside, and know I still had the whole trip back. Remote work has largely fixed that aspect for me at least.
- zajio1am 3y agoI, in contrast, deeply and utterly despise getting up before dawn.