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They are already arresting people for standing and silently praying, the least violent form protest. They arrest thousands each year for social media postings.

They are already arresting people for standing and silently praying, the least violent form protest. They arrest thousands each year for social media postings. So continuing wrong think is a natural extension to mind crime laws. UK Doesn't have free speech laws or modern privacy laws (personal data somewhat, but the government is excluded)

rewmie 3y ago
> They are already arresting people for standing and silently praying (...) Do you mind sharing a source supporting this claim?
- oliwarner 3y ago
  I think they're referring to Catholics protesting outside abortion clinics with designated "safe access". In law these are areas you're not allowed to harass, film, engage patients or doctors. These goons and their placarded, photographed "silent prayer" are attempting to force a loophole to ensure they can still get to people. Whatever your thoughts on abortion, it's clear that their prayers are not the reason they were arrested. https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/22/those-arrests-for-silent-prayer-are-not-all-they-seem/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/22/those-arrests-for-s...
  - stephenbez 3y ago
    It seems pretty clear that silent prayer was in fact the reason why Vaughan-Spruce was arrested: https://news.yahoo.com/british-woman-arrested-praying-silently-200714572.html https://news.yahoo.com/british-woman-arrested-praying-silent... > When she stood in front of the building by herself, Vaughan-Spruce reportedly did not carry a poster, candles for a vigil, or graphic pictures that might be deemed disturbing to local residents, according to the video > When officers asked whether she was part of a protest, she replied “no.” They then asked if she was praying, to which she said she could be doing so “in my head.” Police then searched her, and patted down her hair, before handcuffing her and escorting her to the station. The article you link to talks about a different person, who was arrested for holding a sign saying "Praying for freedom of speech."
    - oliwarner 3y ago
      No. It was protest by a seasoned pro-life protester outside an abortion clinc designated as a protected public place. She might be protesting the law, she might be protesting abortions, but she was protesting in an area where it's been forbidden. She's been to court, been acquitted, had other charges dropped and since then been told to jog on again since, so make of the laws what you will… But the original reply here was suggesting people were being arrested for praying, which barely represents a fraction of reality.
vivekd 3y ago
I feel the same thing is happening in my country, Canada. And no I'm not just referring to recent politically charged event ls during the pandemic. Stuff like hearings against Judge Donald McLeod after he criticized racial bias in immigration and law enforcement. Or hearings against justice of the peace Julie Lauzon after she wrote a news article critical of the bail system. This kind of standard where the government arrests or charges people for undermining them is a path to unfettered corruption, overwhelming state power free of criticism and the undermining of democratic institutions. I pray these laws fail and are overwritten and those responsible for them are remembered as enemies of the state
- unsupp0rted 3y ago
  Or mandatory court-ordered “media training” for Jordan Peterson. I don’t like what you’re saying, so here’s how I’m going to make your life hell until you start saying what I expect you to say.
  - sillywalk 3y ago
    ( full disclosure: I despise Peterson, and think he is an arrogant[1], dishonest grifter ) Except it wasn't court-ordered media training. The College of Psychologists of Ontario, of which Peterson is a member, ordered him to take a course on not to be such an {expletive} when speaking publicly as a 'Psychologist'. Peterson filed for Judicial review and > "Three Ontario Divisional Court judges unanimously dismissed Peterson's application, ruling that the college's decision falls within its mandate to regulate the profession in the public interest and does not affect his freedom of expression. "The order is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics; it has a minimal impact on his right to freedom of expression," ... Peterson had said his statements were not made in his capacity as a clinical psychologist, but instead were "off-duty opinions" — an argument the court rejected. "Dr. Peterson sees himself functioning as a clinical psychologist 'in the broad public space' where he claims to be helping 'millions of people,"' Schabas wrote. "Peterson cannot have it both ways: he cannot speak as a member of a regulated profession without taking responsibility for the risk of harm that flows from him speaking in that trusted capacity." [0] [0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jordan-peterson-court-case-decision-1.6943845 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jordan-peterson-court... [1] "I think I've done demonstrably more than any psychologist has ever produced to increase the prestige and trust of the practice of psychology around the world," Peterson said."

rewmie 3y ago

> They are already arresting people for standing and silently praying (...) Do you mind sharing a source supporting this claim?

oliwarner 3y ago
I think they're referring to Catholics protesting outside abortion clinics with designated "safe access". In law these are areas you're not allowed to harass, film, engage patients or doctors. These goons and their placarded, photographed "silent prayer" are attempting to force a loophole to ensure they can still get to people. Whatever your thoughts on abortion, it's clear that their prayers are not the reason they were arrested. https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/22/those-arrests-for-silent-prayer-are-not-all-they-seem/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/22/those-arrests-for-s...
- stephenbez 3y ago
  It seems pretty clear that silent prayer was in fact the reason why Vaughan-Spruce was arrested: https://news.yahoo.com/british-woman-arrested-praying-silently-200714572.html https://news.yahoo.com/british-woman-arrested-praying-silent... > When she stood in front of the building by herself, Vaughan-Spruce reportedly did not carry a poster, candles for a vigil, or graphic pictures that might be deemed disturbing to local residents, according to the video > When officers asked whether she was part of a protest, she replied “no.” They then asked if she was praying, to which she said she could be doing so “in my head.” Police then searched her, and patted down her hair, before handcuffing her and escorting her to the station. The article you link to talks about a different person, who was arrested for holding a sign saying "Praying for freedom of speech."
  - oliwarner 3y ago
    No. It was protest by a seasoned pro-life protester outside an abortion clinc designated as a protected public place. She might be protesting the law, she might be protesting abortions, but she was protesting in an area where it's been forbidden. She's been to court, been acquitted, had other charges dropped and since then been told to jog on again since, so make of the laws what you will… But the original reply here was suggesting people were being arrested for praying, which barely represents a fraction of reality.

vivekd 3y ago

I feel the same thing is happening in my country, Canada. And no I'm not just referring to recent politically charged event ls during the pandemic. Stuff like hearings against Judge Donald McLeod after he criticized racial bias in immigration and law enforcement. Or hearings against justice of the peace Julie Lauzon after she wrote a news article critical of the bail system. This kind of standard where the government arrests or charges people for undermining them is a path to unfettered corruption, overwhelming state power free of criticism and the undermining of democratic institutions. I pray these laws fail and are overwritten and those responsible for them are remembered as enemies of the state

unsupp0rted 3y ago
Or mandatory court-ordered “media training” for Jordan Peterson. I don’t like what you’re saying, so here’s how I’m going to make your life hell until you start saying what I expect you to say.
- sillywalk 3y ago
  ( full disclosure: I despise Peterson, and think he is an arrogant[1], dishonest grifter ) Except it wasn't court-ordered media training. The College of Psychologists of Ontario, of which Peterson is a member, ordered him to take a course on not to be such an {expletive} when speaking publicly as a 'Psychologist'. Peterson filed for Judicial review and > "Three Ontario Divisional Court judges unanimously dismissed Peterson's application, ruling that the college's decision falls within its mandate to regulate the profession in the public interest and does not affect his freedom of expression. "The order is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics; it has a minimal impact on his right to freedom of expression," ... Peterson had said his statements were not made in his capacity as a clinical psychologist, but instead were "off-duty opinions" — an argument the court rejected. "Dr. Peterson sees himself functioning as a clinical psychologist 'in the broad public space' where he claims to be helping 'millions of people,"' Schabas wrote. "Peterson cannot have it both ways: he cannot speak as a member of a regulated profession without taking responsibility for the risk of harm that flows from him speaking in that trusted capacity." [0] [0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jordan-peterson-court-case-decision-1.6943845 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jordan-peterson-court... [1] "I think I've done demonstrably more than any psychologist has ever produced to increase the prestige and trust of the practice of psychology around the world," Peterson said."