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F*** Paywalls
- bogota 3y agoHow is this different from archive.org?
- lagniappe 3y agoIt doesn't have the be different, it just has to be interesting so we can talk about it, right? Come on, it's Saturday, let's just discuss the thing based on its own merits.
- bogota 3y agoNot hating on it genuine question since i am familiar with the other product. Just want to know the pitch for why i should try it out
- paulpauper 3y agofresh ip addresses after those get blocked?
- alephnerd 3y agoDoesn't work for most stuff anymore either. I've been using this after archive.ph became captcha hell and 12ft.io got blocked
- PaulHoule 3y agoFor all of 12ft.io’s bluster it seems that they turn it off politely if the target site asks which means it doesn’t accomplish anything at all. Archive.ph needs to do something about the CAPTCHAs but maybe that is what they have to to shed load so they can afford to run it.
- DanAtC 3y agoarchive.ph is captcha hell if you use Cloudflare DNS because drama: https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1018691421182791680 https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1018691421182791680
- alephnerd 3y agoIk. I disabled Cloudflare DNS and it's still causing issues. Until a couple weeks ago, I could disable 1.1.1.1 and check it out, but no more
- insanitybit 3y agolol what do people expect? You say you want a web without ads, now you want a web without paywalls. Sorry, but... pick one. Or watch as the internet collapses.
- jackblemming 3y agoBoomers who don't know what ad block is can subsidize everything. They already own 50% of all the wealth.
- VeninVidiaVicii 3y agoI know this was tongue-in-cheek, but I see it as a time investment — or an opportunity cost. If you’ve got gobs of money and just want content now, maybe it’s not worth your time to stay on top of all this subversion technology.
- yCombLinks 3y agoExactly, just like I expect to get paid for my work. I want a simple way to pay for all the pay walls in aggregate so I'm not signing up for 27 different subscriptions and I read one article from each source. I'm not against paying, I'm against a huge pile of bullshit management.
- civicrypt123 3y agoHow do you feel about Apple news, or similar aggregators?
- yCombLinks 3y agoI haven't used it, but it looks ok. It doesn't fit my usage patterns though.
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- ec109685 3y ago
- swader999 3y agoThe craziest is paying for state propaganda. Hard no.
- vodou 3y agoCan you give one example of state propaganda that is behind paywall?
- eastbound 3y agoLe Monde. New York Times is not visibly state-funded, but it’s also political propaganda.
- swader999 3y agoOthers have in reply. See mocking bird, almost all are influenced by state. The other factor is corporate influence. Most of the media is owned by the add dollars that drive it, so it's not the truth, often its what helps or at least doesn't harm the Corp that passes the filters.
- ArtTimeInvestor 3y ago20 years of World Wide Web and we still don't have micropayments so we can just pay a penny to read an article. Why does it take us so long?
- jakeinspace 3y agoI don’t think the economics of that would work for big publications. Maybe at 5-10 cents per article they would.
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- levitate 3y agoHow easy the transaction is is almost more important to me than the actual cost. As long as it can be one click, I'll gladly pay 5 cents to read a good article
- Hackbraten 3y agoNews vendors don't want you to pay for individual articles you're interested in. They want you to pay for all the articles, including the shitty ones, every month.
- eastbound 3y agoAnd then cram down their bias down your throat, with you paying. Whether it’s sponsored placements or interest group’s lobbying. I mean, there is no money to make in neutrality anyway.
- amazingman 3y agoYou think the bias is bad now? It'd be 10x worse if readers paid by the article. Have we not learned about audience capture by now?
- shric 3y ago
- sidcool 3y agoHow does the tech work? How do they bypass the paywall?
- sysadm1n 3y agoLooks like they use some sort of proxy: https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2023%2F11%2F03%2Fworld%2Fmiddleeast%2Fisrael-bomb-jabaliya.html https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2023%... Typically news sites rate limit how much a particular IP can be used to read articles. I assume the proxy IP is different each time.
- not_your_vase 3y agoWe don't want to pay and we don't want to watch ads - still, we want to consume the content. I mean, I get the sentiment, I also share it to a great degree. But how are websites supposed to stay afloat?
- raincole 3y agoMoreover we don't want to use big payment processors and we don't want crypto.
- dageshi 3y agoAhh ahh! I know this one! I've read enough HN comments to know the answer. 1) Anything that was done for monetary gain on the internet was inherently bad and it's no loss if it goes away 2) People will just magically decide to keep creating content out of the goodness of their own hearts
- DanAtC 3y agoThis, but non-sarcastically.
- mach1ne 3y agoIf you make one solution impossible, another one pops up.
- stemlord 3y ago>how are websites supposed to stay afloat? They're not. If no one wants to pay for it then it's not supposed to exist, speaking in terms of how the capitalist system is supposed to work
- _ahxg 3y agoThe irony is that someone paid for a 3 letters domain + infrastructure to keep this running for free.
- zeta0134 3y agoHere's a thought... Why not let the paying subscribers promote content they especially like to the commons? So, if you're a paying member, you get to read everything like it works today. But you also get a steady flow of tips. If you like an article, you can tip the author directly, which comes out of your monthly subscription. Once a given article gets enough tips, it's permanently unlocked for every visitor. Basically, good quality content goes public, letting the readers both curate the content and help out those for whom a full subscription is not in the budget. Thoughts?
- eastbound 3y agoYou’re making people pay to see the non-quality content. And curate.
- luoc 3y agoI like that! Another thing that bothers me is that I have to subscribe to all pages separately and that the price of the individual venues is just too high. News are too important to lock in with one or maybe two providers, sorry. Take, for instance, Urban Sports Club where I have a number of plans and for amount X I get, let's say, unlimited gym, 2x sauna and a yoga session per month at their partners. Why not having this for news and other media? Like paying 50€ and you get 25 articles at partnering news sites, 10 hours Spotify and 5 hours Youtube premium. The flaw with all this is that it is lacking the lock-in effect and let's be honest, competition is only cool if you're not exposed to it ;)
- scumola 3y agoArticles are shared so quickly nowadays, the 'making it public when they get enough tips' might not happen fast enough and it'd be the same experience for most people...
- high_5 3y agoI just saw an interesting model on Substack: pay to comment. That might weed out the spammers and trolls quite effectively and build up a community of truly interested parties that have something to contribute.
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- jimaek 3y agoIs there a service like this that could work on a DNS level? I'm using a DNS ad blocker and I could set-up overrides of certain news websites to a different hostname which in turn would redirect to the bypass URL. It sounds doable but I haven't seen anything like that
- Nextgrid 3y agoA service could work but would need to work around TLS. It would either need to provide you a root CA certificate to install on your systems (bad idea as it would allow them to MITM any website), or a bundle of certificates for the hostnames of the news websites they support (so the MITM is constrained to those domains, but that's fine as that's your intention anyway).
- 8chanAnon 3y agoA responsible developer should never supply a pre-configured certificate (though many do exactly that). An unique certificate should be created for the specific installation.
- 8chanAnon 3y agoThat would need to involve more than the DNS. The browser expects to see the certificate for a specific website so you can't just redirect. The certificate needs to be forged. I don't think that is doable without a personal proxy server. In some cases, the browser may allow you to accept an invalid certificate but many sites forbid that via the HTTP Strict Transport Security mechanism. So you will need a proxy server plus a self-signed certificate authority installed in the browser or operating system.
- baby 3y agoBe like me. Flag every paywall article that ends up on hackernews
- _ahxg 3y agoBut I wonder if it's not always intentional as maybe ad blockers kill some of paywalls some times?
- 8chanAnon 3y agoWould be nice to see the source code for this. Then I could write up my own app to do the same. We shouldn't need to be dependent on a website that could shut down at any time.
- spacebacon 3y agoJeff Johnson's stopthescript and stopthemadness safari plugin for ios and mac os bypasses most paywalls and actually disables javascript. Inline included.
- 8chanAnon 3y agoSome paywalls can be bypassed by turning off the Javascript. For example, the paywall on Epoch Times. Not so for Wall Street Journal.
- spacebacon 3y agoTrue
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y agoThis appears to be an HTTP proxy. What does this have to do with paywalls. Please name one website whose paywall can be bypassed using this proxy.