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I'm confused- if a state delegate stormed the capitol (breaking a law), why wouldn't they be arrested and pulled from their house? Or are you saying it's crazy

by dekhn 3y ago

I'm confused- if a state delegate stormed the capitol (breaking a law), why wouldn't they be arrested and pulled from their house? Or are you saying it's crazy that a person who was elected to be a state delegate would then storm the capitol (that only occurred to me after typing my first question)? Interesting- after being arrested, he resigned his delegate position and took full responsibility, plead guilty, went to jail, and then renounced his admission of guilt. What a quality fellow.

Amezarak 3y ago
Entering the Capitol in a protest by itself is not unusual. Protests occur in the Capitol regularly. Without the retrospective view and full knowledge of January 6, “storming the Capitol” appears in a different light, if you concerned about the mens rea of the delegate. It is likely that the vast majority of people that day, the hardliner crazies excepted, had no idea or expectation they’d be facing charges.
- dekhn 3y ago
  I agree, entering the capitol in a peaceful was is not unusual (we saw an occupation of the rotunda only a few days ago). But from the very first moments the aggresive crowd was gathering outside the capitol, it was pretty clear it was a lawless event (I watched the whole thing realtime on several different news sources). For example if the door to the capitol is locked and people start breaking windows to enter... that moves from "protest" to "storming" pretty much instantly. And he filmed himself with a helmet on, going through the broken-into doors.
  - Amezarak 3y ago
    Oh sure, it definitely devolved into a riot, and I can’t say anything about this guy in particular because I don’t know the details. My point is that just showing up to a protest in or at the Capitol is not really an unusual thing, and most of the people there, probably including the delegate, had no idea there’d be any consequences. Peaceful is sort of a spectrum too - it’s not uncommon for Congressmen and their assistants to get shoved a little, screamed at in their faces, spit on, that sort of thing. Sort of an occupational hazard. Sometimes it makes for great photographs. Certainly what happened that day exceeded the norm, though, which meant a lot of people who showed up with legal motives got wrapped up in something else. Unfortunately it’s become so politicized (in part thanks to very bad reporting the day of) it’s rare to have a sensible discussion about it - thanks for your response - and clearly you know more about this particular situation than I do.
true_religion 3y ago
I’m saying that it’s crazy he was elected into office, then thought it was a great idea to physically attack the federal legislature. You would think a newly elected politician would be more concerned with enacting their mandate, not revolutions. As far as I can see, he had no support from any of his constituents either. He just went to the rally alone.

by dekhn 3y ago

Amezarak 3y ago

Entering the Capitol in a protest by itself is not unusual. Protests occur in the Capitol regularly. Without the retrospective view and full knowledge of January 6, “storming the Capitol” appears in a different light, if you concerned about the mens rea of the delegate. It is likely that the vast majority of people that day, the hardliner crazies excepted, had no idea or expectation they’d be facing charges.

dekhn 3y ago
I agree, entering the capitol in a peaceful was is not unusual (we saw an occupation of the rotunda only a few days ago). But from the very first moments the aggresive crowd was gathering outside the capitol, it was pretty clear it was a lawless event (I watched the whole thing realtime on several different news sources). For example if the door to the capitol is locked and people start breaking windows to enter... that moves from "protest" to "storming" pretty much instantly. And he filmed himself with a helmet on, going through the broken-into doors.
- Amezarak 3y ago
  Oh sure, it definitely devolved into a riot, and I can’t say anything about this guy in particular because I don’t know the details. My point is that just showing up to a protest in or at the Capitol is not really an unusual thing, and most of the people there, probably including the delegate, had no idea there’d be any consequences. Peaceful is sort of a spectrum too - it’s not uncommon for Congressmen and their assistants to get shoved a little, screamed at in their faces, spit on, that sort of thing. Sort of an occupational hazard. Sometimes it makes for great photographs. Certainly what happened that day exceeded the norm, though, which meant a lot of people who showed up with legal motives got wrapped up in something else. Unfortunately it’s become so politicized (in part thanks to very bad reporting the day of) it’s rare to have a sensible discussion about it - thanks for your response - and clearly you know more about this particular situation than I do.

true_religion 3y ago

I’m saying that it’s crazy he was elected into office, then thought it was a great idea to physically attack the federal legislature. You would think a newly elected politician would be more concerned with enacting their mandate, not revolutions. As far as I can see, he had no support from any of his constituents either. He just went to the rally alone.