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AI is inevitable. That being said, artists deserve to be compensated for their work and I see something being set up to do that (perhaps begrudgingly) in the fu

AI is inevitable. That being said, artists deserve to be compensated for their work and I see something being set up to do that (perhaps begrudgingly) in the future. ChatGPT already doesn't allow you to copy the style of a specific artist.

mistrial9 3y ago
nothing aside from the laws of physics itself, is "inevitable".. adding a quip about "protections are already there" makes the intent clear
- philipov 3y ago
  not even the laws of physics are inevitable, except for thermodynamics
gnicholas 3y ago
I wonder if you can ask it to describe an artist's style, and then use that description in a subsequent prompt for image generation.
- adventured 3y ago
  I asked GPT4 to give me prompt terms ideal for Thomas Kinkade > To evoke the style of Thomas Kinkade in a chat prompt, one might use descriptions like "radiant warmth," "soft-edged realism," and "gentle natural light." His paintings often conveyed a sense of bucolic perfection and peaceful retreats, featuring cozy cottages, flourishing gardens, and tranquil waters. The scenes are typically bathed in the golden light of dawn or the rosy hues of dusk, with a magical, almost ethereal quality to the light that seems to emanate from within the scene itself. The colors would be described as vibrant yet soft, with a harmonious palette that creates a nostalgic and dreamlike atmosphere. Using the terms provided, without mentioning the artist, Dalle3 spit out: https://i.imgur.com/10pr0A9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/10pr0A9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kG4Mapf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kG4Mapf.jpg The two prompts I used were [note: I picked a scene / location]: "generate an image for this prompt: "bucolic perfection, cozy cottages, flourishing gardens, radiant warmth, soft-edged realism, gentle natural light, bathed in rosy hues of dusk, vibrant soft colors" "generate an image for this prompt: "bucolic perfection, new york city, autumn, flourishing trees, radiant warmth, soft-edged realism, gentle natural light, bathed in rosy hues of dusk, vibrant soft colors" Seems to get you pretty close to the style of Kinkade with very little prompt effort.
  - kristiandupont 3y ago
    It's not spot on but I would say that if you squint you can see where it's going there.
- kelseyfrog 3y ago
  It's terrible at that. I experimented with having GPT-4 describe Bob Ross's style(prompting for Bob Ross directly is forbidden). The model diligently described technique(wet-on-wet), stylistic elements(soft, blended edges), and themes(tranquil landscape, rich natural colors). It then failed spectacularly at recreating the style. There may be a way to craft a prompt that does recreate a specific artist's style, but having an LLM do it is not yet in the realm of possibility,
  - adventured 3y ago
    In what manner do you feel GPT is terrible at it? I asked it to describe prompt terms for Bob Ross, based on his style. I then took those terms and formed a simple prompt - generate an image using this prompt please: "tranquil scenic landscape, wet paint style, puffy clouds, serene lake, distant mountain, trees, harmonious, earthy, natural beauty, wilderness, calm gentle realism, peaceful, pristine" It spit out these images: https://i.imgur.com/P01OAIh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/P01OAIh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/99O8S5J.jpg https://i.imgur.com/99O8S5J.jpg Took a couple of minutes. With a very small amount of effort it'll get you close to the style of Bob Ross. There are unique keywords it associates with Ross that it'll refuse to work with, apparently, "fluffy clouds" perhaps was one (it refused when I used that initially, along with "wet-on-wet paint style"). With a little adjustment you can likely fully get around that.
    - The-Bus 3y ago
      Those just look like AI images with brush lines.
      - adventured 3y ago
        Yeah it took minutes to do. If you spend even a small amount of time, 30 minutes say, it wouldn't be difficult to improve the outcome significantly. There's nothing extraordinary about the style of Bob Ross. He isn't famous for producing astounding artwork, he's famous for his speech tone (comforting), instruction (audience being able to quasi follow along at home) and that he produced peaceful natural scenes. There's nothing about his painting style that Dalle3 isn't going to be able to recreate to a high degree. How much time are you willing to invest into the prompting? If you're a big Bob Ross fan, I would think spending a small amount of time to get a highly effective prompt would be worth the ability to endlessly produce new artwork that reminds you of his style. It's very clearly feasible at this point.
gtirloni 3y ago
> artists deserve to be compensated for their work and I see something being set up to do that We haven't figured out micropayments to simple online articles, let alone how much an artist should be compensated for an output from an AI model that includes some weight where the source image was of statistical significance. My point is that the only chance artists have of getting paid is to charge for the training dataset (the source, not the output). The issue is, a lot of them will post their work online (in worse quality, just as a demo), and that will still be perfectly fine to be in a training dataset. Who will say the AI can't be trained on that? My brain certainly can and nobody is charging me after I see some art online and decide to, say, paint it myself. Are there laws against copying style? Artists will probably have to come together in a union of sorts to have any power. That has never happened at the scale required to impact AI vendors, I think. Either that or government steps in and demand AI be trained on some kind of certified dataset with proof of origin, with penalties for using non-certified datasets. Maybe that will be the only way to have people compensated.
- novok 3y ago
  Micropayments are effectively blocked by government kyc regulations and such. That is the sacrifice that governments decided to make to have their ineffective boil the ocean kyc regimes, much like building height limits in cities.
EnergyAmy 3y ago
People are looking at this the wrong way. The sort of compensation you're arguing about will still be getting argued over by the time superintelligence makes it all obsolete. We need to advocate for open models. If your work contributed to a model, you should have the right to your own copy of the model.

mistrial9 3y ago

nothing aside from the laws of physics itself, is "inevitable".. adding a quip about "protections are already there" makes the intent clear

philipov 3y ago
not even the laws of physics are inevitable, except for thermodynamics

gnicholas 3y ago

I wonder if you can ask it to describe an artist's style, and then use that description in a subsequent prompt for image generation.

adventured 3y ago
I asked GPT4 to give me prompt terms ideal for Thomas Kinkade > To evoke the style of Thomas Kinkade in a chat prompt, one might use descriptions like "radiant warmth," "soft-edged realism," and "gentle natural light." His paintings often conveyed a sense of bucolic perfection and peaceful retreats, featuring cozy cottages, flourishing gardens, and tranquil waters. The scenes are typically bathed in the golden light of dawn or the rosy hues of dusk, with a magical, almost ethereal quality to the light that seems to emanate from within the scene itself. The colors would be described as vibrant yet soft, with a harmonious palette that creates a nostalgic and dreamlike atmosphere. Using the terms provided, without mentioning the artist, Dalle3 spit out: https://i.imgur.com/10pr0A9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/10pr0A9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kG4Mapf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kG4Mapf.jpg The two prompts I used were [note: I picked a scene / location]: "generate an image for this prompt: "bucolic perfection, cozy cottages, flourishing gardens, radiant warmth, soft-edged realism, gentle natural light, bathed in rosy hues of dusk, vibrant soft colors" "generate an image for this prompt: "bucolic perfection, new york city, autumn, flourishing trees, radiant warmth, soft-edged realism, gentle natural light, bathed in rosy hues of dusk, vibrant soft colors" Seems to get you pretty close to the style of Kinkade with very little prompt effort.
- kristiandupont 3y ago
  It's not spot on but I would say that if you squint you can see where it's going there.
kelseyfrog 3y ago
It's terrible at that. I experimented with having GPT-4 describe Bob Ross's style(prompting for Bob Ross directly is forbidden). The model diligently described technique(wet-on-wet), stylistic elements(soft, blended edges), and themes(tranquil landscape, rich natural colors). It then failed spectacularly at recreating the style. There may be a way to craft a prompt that does recreate a specific artist's style, but having an LLM do it is not yet in the realm of possibility,
- adventured 3y ago
  In what manner do you feel GPT is terrible at it? I asked it to describe prompt terms for Bob Ross, based on his style. I then took those terms and formed a simple prompt - generate an image using this prompt please: "tranquil scenic landscape, wet paint style, puffy clouds, serene lake, distant mountain, trees, harmonious, earthy, natural beauty, wilderness, calm gentle realism, peaceful, pristine" It spit out these images: https://i.imgur.com/P01OAIh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/P01OAIh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/99O8S5J.jpg https://i.imgur.com/99O8S5J.jpg Took a couple of minutes. With a very small amount of effort it'll get you close to the style of Bob Ross. There are unique keywords it associates with Ross that it'll refuse to work with, apparently, "fluffy clouds" perhaps was one (it refused when I used that initially, along with "wet-on-wet paint style"). With a little adjustment you can likely fully get around that.
  - The-Bus 3y ago
    Those just look like AI images with brush lines.
    - adventured 3y ago
      Yeah it took minutes to do. If you spend even a small amount of time, 30 minutes say, it wouldn't be difficult to improve the outcome significantly. There's nothing extraordinary about the style of Bob Ross. He isn't famous for producing astounding artwork, he's famous for his speech tone (comforting), instruction (audience being able to quasi follow along at home) and that he produced peaceful natural scenes. There's nothing about his painting style that Dalle3 isn't going to be able to recreate to a high degree. How much time are you willing to invest into the prompting? If you're a big Bob Ross fan, I would think spending a small amount of time to get a highly effective prompt would be worth the ability to endlessly produce new artwork that reminds you of his style. It's very clearly feasible at this point.

gtirloni 3y ago

> artists deserve to be compensated for their work and I see something being set up to do that We haven't figured out micropayments to simple online articles, let alone how much an artist should be compensated for an output from an AI model that includes some weight where the source image was of statistical significance. My point is that the only chance artists have of getting paid is to charge for the training dataset (the source, not the output). The issue is, a lot of them will post their work online (in worse quality, just as a demo), and that will still be perfectly fine to be in a training dataset. Who will say the AI can't be trained on that? My brain certainly can and nobody is charging me after I see some art online and decide to, say, paint it myself. Are there laws against copying style? Artists will probably have to come together in a union of sorts to have any power. That has never happened at the scale required to impact AI vendors, I think. Either that or government steps in and demand AI be trained on some kind of certified dataset with proof of origin, with penalties for using non-certified datasets. Maybe that will be the only way to have people compensated.

novok 3y ago
Micropayments are effectively blocked by government kyc regulations and such. That is the sacrifice that governments decided to make to have their ineffective boil the ocean kyc regimes, much like building height limits in cities.

EnergyAmy 3y ago

People are looking at this the wrong way. The sort of compensation you're arguing about will still be getting argued over by the time superintelligence makes it all obsolete. We need to advocate for open models. If your work contributed to a model, you should have the right to your own copy of the model.