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Building your own Linux is impossible too, but no one bitches & moans about that. No one slams Android for saying they couldn't go make their own easily. Why w

Building your own Linux is impossible too, but no one bitches & moans about that. No one slams Android for saying they couldn't go make their own easily. Why would the world's most successful & available hypermedia platform need to be something one can easily implement? Of course the most successful online system in the world is complex & featureful. That's why we use it & it has won.

fragmede 3y ago
> Building your own Linux is impossible too, > Linux From Scratch (LFS) is a project that provides you with step-by-step instructions for building your own custom Linux system, entirely from source code. https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
- amelius 3y ago
  They meant building as in "writing the source code from scratch", not "compiling existing code".
  - LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
    Uhm... Would something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerenityOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerenityOS / https://www.serenityos.org https://www.serenityos.org count?
    - jauntywundrkind 3y ago
      Yeah it's a perfect example of a one man OS and a one man browser! Shows it's technically possible. I still think what-one-person-can-solo-recreate is an awful terrible gate to limit what software is acceptable by though! I look at how quickly & how competently people can make interesting powerful software systems on the web, that they can share & that can connect people, and I am in awe. Prioritizing recreating the platform is so low on my list of priorities: it's this time to power for devs, new & experienced, that seems like the better goal. And here the web just trounces everything else. With just vanilla and some basic html one can take a page & very quickly begin to make it dance, in all kinds of wild ways. I can take someone with a couple days of programming & pair with them & in a couple hours we can write a user script to rewrite some kind of weird or suboptimal computing experience they're already having, show them how easy it is to modify & improve their life & the online things they go through. That power is just amazing, and that there is so much freedom under the hood to be creative & do great things: that's thrilling & exciting for us all. Time to start: fast, but with deep reserves of capabilities one can always tap into: that's greatness. The web's power curve is so much more exciting than anything else I've ever gotten to share with newcomers to the field. Connecting newcomers to computing has never been better, thanks to the great & powerful web.
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colinsane 3y ago
> Building your own Linux is impossible too, but no one bitches & moans about that. No one slams Android for saying they couldn't go make their own easily. you’re literally just not in the right circles. > Of course the most successful online system in the world is complex & featureful. That's why we use it & it has won. combine these two and you get the meme about IRC users (a protocol you could implement in a day) who refuse to leave that ecosystem. so as a starting point, if you’re looking for the people who are passionate about that kind of simplicity, you’ll have to meet them there. i’d start with the alternative kernels/OS (serenity, 9front, hurd) and then maybe the language side of things (Hare certainly has a prominent dev known for ranting about complexities). either way if you’re willing to dig, you absolutely will find the viewpoints around simplicity which you posit don’t exist. Gopher and Gemini might be up your alley too. not as low in the stack as the others, but especially the latter's a pretty direct response against "Why would the world's most successful & available hypermedia platform need to be something one can easily implement".
- jauntywundrkind 3y ago
  I admit & admire that the story could change any day, & these tiny little niche communities could become relevant & important. But there seems to be this attitude specifically against the web that the web needs to remain small enough for anyone to DIY quickly. That's just not how you get the most popular most useful most interesting hypermedia canvas on the planet. The desire to reduce the web down is a sick one, malicious projection of a limited conservative worldview, on something that has become so great because we have cared about it enough to grow it.

fragmede 3y ago

> Building your own Linux is impossible too, > Linux From Scratch (LFS) is a project that provides you with step-by-step instructions for building your own custom Linux system, entirely from source code. https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

amelius 3y ago
They meant building as in "writing the source code from scratch", not "compiling existing code".
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
  Uhm... Would something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerenityOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerenityOS / https://www.serenityos.org https://www.serenityos.org count?
  - jauntywundrkind 3y ago
    Yeah it's a perfect example of a one man OS and a one man browser! Shows it's technically possible. I still think what-one-person-can-solo-recreate is an awful terrible gate to limit what software is acceptable by though! I look at how quickly & how competently people can make interesting powerful software systems on the web, that they can share & that can connect people, and I am in awe. Prioritizing recreating the platform is so low on my list of priorities: it's this time to power for devs, new & experienced, that seems like the better goal. And here the web just trounces everything else. With just vanilla and some basic html one can take a page & very quickly begin to make it dance, in all kinds of wild ways. I can take someone with a couple days of programming & pair with them & in a couple hours we can write a user script to rewrite some kind of weird or suboptimal computing experience they're already having, show them how easy it is to modify & improve their life & the online things they go through. That power is just amazing, and that there is so much freedom under the hood to be creative & do great things: that's thrilling & exciting for us all. Time to start: fast, but with deep reserves of capabilities one can always tap into: that's greatness. The web's power curve is so much more exciting than anything else I've ever gotten to share with newcomers to the field. Connecting newcomers to computing has never been better, thanks to the great & powerful web.

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colinsane 3y ago

> Building your own Linux is impossible too, but no one bitches & moans about that. No one slams Android for saying they couldn't go make their own easily. you’re literally just not in the right circles. > Of course the most successful online system in the world is complex & featureful. That's why we use it & it has won. combine these two and you get the meme about IRC users (a protocol you could implement in a day) who refuse to leave that ecosystem. so as a starting point, if you’re looking for the people who are passionate about that kind of simplicity, you’ll have to meet them there. i’d start with the alternative kernels/OS (serenity, 9front, hurd) and then maybe the language side of things (Hare certainly has a prominent dev known for ranting about complexities). either way if you’re willing to dig, you absolutely will find the viewpoints around simplicity which you posit don’t exist. Gopher and Gemini might be up your alley too. not as low in the stack as the others, but especially the latter's a pretty direct response against "Why would the world's most successful & available hypermedia platform need to be something one can easily implement".

jauntywundrkind 3y ago
I admit & admire that the story could change any day, & these tiny little niche communities could become relevant & important. But there seems to be this attitude specifically against the web that the web needs to remain small enough for anyone to DIY quickly. That's just not how you get the most popular most useful most interesting hypermedia canvas on the planet. The desire to reduce the web down is a sick one, malicious projection of a limited conservative worldview, on something that has become so great because we have cared about it enough to grow it.