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The problem with these numbers in France is that you can be born in France but you’re not automatically a citizen depending on who you were born to. Those would

The problem with these numbers in France is that you can be born in France but you’re not automatically a citizen depending on who you were born to. Those would have to undertake a process later in life to acquire French citizenship (not sure if just bureaucratic or monetary costs involved too). Many may not bother acquiring French citizenship if they’re already EU citizens, married to one, or if acquiring another citizenship creates a problem in their other country. Would have been more useful if they dug into birthplace and immigration status. France created a lot of this problem itself by thinking it was their right to just show up in foreign territories and telling everyone to learn French.

lm28469 3y ago
> France created a lot of this problem itself by thinking it was their right to just show up in foreign territories and telling everyone to learn French. No country in the world is free from that though... I don't go out and blame the Islamic Empire so leave Europe alone, ex colonies have been free for the greater part of a century and are still as bad as they were 200 years ago, if not worse for a lot of them, perpetuating archaic political systems as rotten as ever, some of them even sinking in even worse. Either way it doesn't make it legal for 6th generation descendants of these countries to rape and steal, especially not after being welcomed as refugees. The vast majority of people integrate well enough we don't have to excuse the ones who don't. People from certain ex colonies have virtually no integration issues and are the cause of no criminality. People who want to integrate suffer from these issues even more than others so we're doing them no service by rationalising these actions https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=5763633 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=576363...
- manquer 3y ago
  > No country in the world is free from that though. Lots of countries are free of it. Mongols did not destroy culture and religion where they went , the Mughals did not, The Americans did not , conquest for wealth does not always mean whole scale destruction of culture. That pretty much is characteristic to the religious nations originating from the Levant. I.e Roman empire successors and the Islamic Caliphates . > I don't go out and blame the Islamic Empire so leave Europe alone Why not ? They are two sides of the same coin . Abhramic religions with chruch controlled /influenced states with the same conversion philosophies in close proximity. > colonies have been free for the greater part of a century. Free? Colonial powers destoried our national cultural wealth , drained natural resources, continue to brain drain best talent from the former colonies, you think a mere half century with scant support and no repatriation is enough to reverse the atrocities the likes lepold commited with blessing of the "western" world ? > make it legal for 6th generation Of course not , there is no justification for any violence .no amount of history justifies any violence Now. However karma is a bitch, you will not find much sympathy in the global south, what Europe has today is nothing compared to what happened in the last 6 centuries, the effects of which will take a millennia to erase , the best English king can do is "almost" appolgize . Europe has a long way to go
  - lm28469 3y ago
    > Europe has a long way to go It'll fall apart because of these issues, I don't think the way will be that long
    - manquer 3y ago
      Falling apart has very different meaning in global south to say Sudanese, Venezuelans or Ethiopians or Burmese . “Falling apart” in Europe is a first world problem that is unlikely to have much empathy in the global south . the basic argument here is we would like to take the best doctors, engineers and scientists and brightest from former colonies but keep all the low life out, why shouldn’t Europe take the good with the bad same of the rest of us?
brnt 3y ago
Most countries grant citizenship by blood, not soil. You are right however: framing that crime as being due to foreigners is simplifying France's own culpability in the matter. Anyone blaming foreigners is usually literally shifting blame.

lm28469 3y ago

> France created a lot of this problem itself by thinking it was their right to just show up in foreign territories and telling everyone to learn French. No country in the world is free from that though... I don't go out and blame the Islamic Empire so leave Europe alone, ex colonies have been free for the greater part of a century and are still as bad as they were 200 years ago, if not worse for a lot of them, perpetuating archaic political systems as rotten as ever, some of them even sinking in even worse. Either way it doesn't make it legal for 6th generation descendants of these countries to rape and steal, especially not after being welcomed as refugees. The vast majority of people integrate well enough we don't have to excuse the ones who don't. People from certain ex colonies have virtually no integration issues and are the cause of no criminality. People who want to integrate suffer from these issues even more than others so we're doing them no service by rationalising these actions https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=5763633 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=576363...

manquer 3y ago
> No country in the world is free from that though. Lots of countries are free of it. Mongols did not destroy culture and religion where they went , the Mughals did not, The Americans did not , conquest for wealth does not always mean whole scale destruction of culture. That pretty much is characteristic to the religious nations originating from the Levant. I.e Roman empire successors and the Islamic Caliphates . > I don't go out and blame the Islamic Empire so leave Europe alone Why not ? They are two sides of the same coin . Abhramic religions with chruch controlled /influenced states with the same conversion philosophies in close proximity. > colonies have been free for the greater part of a century. Free? Colonial powers destoried our national cultural wealth , drained natural resources, continue to brain drain best talent from the former colonies, you think a mere half century with scant support and no repatriation is enough to reverse the atrocities the likes lepold commited with blessing of the "western" world ? > make it legal for 6th generation Of course not , there is no justification for any violence .no amount of history justifies any violence Now. However karma is a bitch, you will not find much sympathy in the global south, what Europe has today is nothing compared to what happened in the last 6 centuries, the effects of which will take a millennia to erase , the best English king can do is "almost" appolgize . Europe has a long way to go
- lm28469 3y ago
  > Europe has a long way to go It'll fall apart because of these issues, I don't think the way will be that long
  - manquer 3y ago
    Falling apart has very different meaning in global south to say Sudanese, Venezuelans or Ethiopians or Burmese . “Falling apart” in Europe is a first world problem that is unlikely to have much empathy in the global south . the basic argument here is we would like to take the best doctors, engineers and scientists and brightest from former colonies but keep all the low life out, why shouldn’t Europe take the good with the bad same of the rest of us?

brnt 3y ago

Most countries grant citizenship by blood, not soil. You are right however: framing that crime as being due to foreigners is simplifying France's own culpability in the matter. Anyone blaming foreigners is usually literally shifting blame.