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> Plenty of people believe 9/11 was a heinous act, but are willing to recognize that there were factors that caused it to happen (not just, "Al-Qaeda attacked t

> Plenty of people believe 9/11 was a heinous act, but are willing to recognize that there were factors that caused it to happen (not just, "Al-Qaeda attacked the US because they hate OUR FREEDOM!") 51% of US young people would think that??? Not on 9/11. Maybe 3% at most. Unrelated but for context: adjusted to population size the Oct/7 attacks would be on a scale of 48,000 people dying on 9/11 not including all the kidnapped people... > US's response to completely level Afghanistan and Iraq was far in excess of the provocation. That's a separate discussion. But take into consideration that those countries were both far and invaded politically. Also the Hamas seems to be pleased with the result and is already promising a repeat: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1y31101m6 https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1y31101m6 > "I support Israel in 100% of everything they do" or "I support Hamas and love terrorism". I hope this is the case. But it is still disheartening that even for such a bad example people would choose that. I feel that indicates they don't truly understand how awful the Hamas really is. I want a Palestinian state and have been politically active in various movements for that purpose. The Hamas is by far the biggest roadblock on that road followed by Netanyahu.

throw310822 3y ago
> adjusted to population size the Oct/7 attacks would be on a scale of 48,000 people dying This is a dangerous argument. Each individual's value is the same irrespective of the size of their group or nation. Also, following the exact same reasoning, we could say that Israel has killed 1.3 million Palestinians in last three weeks, and almost three million in last 15 years. The fact that the proportion is never mentioned in relation to Palestinians, but only Israelis, is revealing. > The Hamas is by far the biggest roadblock on that road followed by Netanyahu. Hamas was bolstered by Netanyahu precisely to weaken the more moderate Palestinian liberation movement and to have some useful enemy to point to in order to continue his politics of apartheid and ethnic cleansing. If they remove Hamas, they'll need to invent another one (and they will, if the bombs are not enough to breed a new generation of terrorists).
- invalidname 3y ago
  No. It means that most of us personally know people who died and kidnapped on that day. It means I was on the phone with a woman and her little girls while terrorist were having a gunfight with her husband within the house... It means everyone knows someone who's still in Gaza. That's the implication of this scale. It's an important metric to understand the severity of the attack and the severity of the reaction. It's also important to understand the reduced empathy from the Israeli side. Look at how crazy the USA was on 9/11. Imagine every single person knew someone personally... Imagine some of them were still missing. It would have been at a different level.

throw310822 3y ago

> adjusted to population size the Oct/7 attacks would be on a scale of 48,000 people dying This is a dangerous argument. Each individual's value is the same irrespective of the size of their group or nation. Also, following the exact same reasoning, we could say that Israel has killed 1.3 million Palestinians in last three weeks, and almost three million in last 15 years. The fact that the proportion is never mentioned in relation to Palestinians, but only Israelis, is revealing. > The Hamas is by far the biggest roadblock on that road followed by Netanyahu. Hamas was bolstered by Netanyahu precisely to weaken the more moderate Palestinian liberation movement and to have some useful enemy to point to in order to continue his politics of apartheid and ethnic cleansing. If they remove Hamas, they'll need to invent another one (and they will, if the bombs are not enough to breed a new generation of terrorists).

invalidname 3y ago
No. It means that most of us personally know people who died and kidnapped on that day. It means I was on the phone with a woman and her little girls while terrorist were having a gunfight with her husband within the house... It means everyone knows someone who's still in Gaza. That's the implication of this scale. It's an important metric to understand the severity of the attack and the severity of the reaction. It's also important to understand the reduced empathy from the Israeli side. Look at how crazy the USA was on 9/11. Imagine every single person knew someone personally... Imagine some of them were still missing. It would have been at a different level.