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Oh, yeah! Can’t come soon enough. Kneecap the need to datamine users. I totally want to see this happen even if that means they will have to charge money for

by mc32 3y ago

Oh, yeah! Can’t come soon enough. Kneecap the need to datamine users. I totally want to see this happen even if that means they will have to charge money for their heretofore “free” services. This would be a big win for society, in my view.

robertlagrant 3y ago
This isn't data mining users. It's just tracking an ID against likely preferences detected automatically. I think this topic becomes emotive because there are obviously ways to misuse data, but I struggle to see the actual harm in personalised advertising. If there's a data acquisition route that we all agree is bad, then we should ban that.
- gatinsama 3y ago
  Personalized advertising is based on data, and there shouldn't be hard to see some ways in which misuse it, even with user consent. And no, saying "Yes, I consent to cookies and terms of use and data collection" doesn't fix this.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    Would you also ban store loyalty cards for the same reason?
    - alkonaut 3y ago
      I wouldn't ban them, but with those I also have a pretty clear view of exactly what information is trading hands. I tell the store exactly what products I bought , in which store and at what time. And in return I might get a rebate or similar. In that situation I can choose NOT to show the loyalty card when the kickback isn't good enough or if I'm buying something I don't think should go in my "profile". (And for this reason, I hope stores wouldn't link these purchases using any other means I don't approve of, such as through the same credit card being used).
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        But the data could still be misused, even with your consent. If that's the bar, it's extremely high, given almost all data can be misused.
- mc32 3y ago
  Eliminate any and all potential avenues of abuse. It’s the only way these gals and guys will stop. This just furthers unbridled consumerism. I’m okay when people need something because it’s physically necessary for them. But there is something wrong when people impulse buy online just because they got some targeted ads playing with their psychological profile. I’m convinced these operators cannot be trusted and kneecapping them is the only way out.

by mc32 3y ago

robertlagrant 3y ago

This isn't data mining users. It's just tracking an ID against likely preferences detected automatically. I think this topic becomes emotive because there are obviously ways to misuse data, but I struggle to see the actual harm in personalised advertising. If there's a data acquisition route that we all agree is bad, then we should ban that.

gatinsama 3y ago
Personalized advertising is based on data, and there shouldn't be hard to see some ways in which misuse it, even with user consent. And no, saying "Yes, I consent to cookies and terms of use and data collection" doesn't fix this.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  Would you also ban store loyalty cards for the same reason?
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    I wouldn't ban them, but with those I also have a pretty clear view of exactly what information is trading hands. I tell the store exactly what products I bought , in which store and at what time. And in return I might get a rebate or similar. In that situation I can choose NOT to show the loyalty card when the kickback isn't good enough or if I'm buying something I don't think should go in my "profile". (And for this reason, I hope stores wouldn't link these purchases using any other means I don't approve of, such as through the same credit card being used).
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      But the data could still be misused, even with your consent. If that's the bar, it's extremely high, given almost all data can be misused.
mc32 3y ago
Eliminate any and all potential avenues of abuse. It’s the only way these gals and guys will stop. This just furthers unbridled consumerism. I’m okay when people need something because it’s physically necessary for them. But there is something wrong when people impulse buy online just because they got some targeted ads playing with their psychological profile. I’m convinced these operators cannot be trusted and kneecapping them is the only way out.