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A few months until this is effectively outlawed if the open weights proposal in 270 days comes into existence
by nwoli 3y ago
A few months until this is effectively outlawed if the open weights proposal in 270 days comes into existence
- turned-upright 3y agoCan you elaborate please?
- eurekin 3y agoI think this is relevant: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action...
- infecto 3y agoSoliciting Input on Dual-Use Foundation Models with Widely Available Model Weights. When the weights for a dual-use foundation model are widely available — such as when they are publicly posted on the Internet — there can be substantial benefits to innovation, but also substantial security risks, such as the removal of safeguards within the model. To address the risks and potential benefits of dual-use foundation models with widely available weights, within 270 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Commerce, acting through the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information, and in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall... I believe that is the relevant section, which I am hoping they realize how dumb this is going to be.
- eurekin 3y agoThis is huge news... Has anybody seen any discussions around that topic?
- btbuildem 3y agoThis exists solely to protect the incumbents (OpenAI et al)
- moralestapia 3y agoOpenAI has truly lived up to its name! Not even Oracle dared to pull shit like this w/ Java.
- pixl97 3y agoEh, I may be misremembering my history, but didn't they try back in the day and quickly got smacked down for one reason or another?
- moralestapia 3y agoThey do defend their business, tooth and nail. But this would be akin to them saying "you know, bytecode could be used for evil, and we'd to regulate/outlaw the development of new virtual machines like the one we already have".
- kgeist 3y agoChina and Russia will keep using US models because they don't care about US laws. I think if restrictions on AI are only applied in the US, such restrictions will only put Americans at a disadvantage. P.S. I'm from one of the said countries
- eurekin 3y agoI feel like this is another case of screens for e-book readers; where a single player had everybody else in a chokehold for decades, and slowed down innovation to a drip
- pmarreck 3y ago> the removal of safeguards within the model this cat is already out of the bag, so this is pointless legislation that just hampers progress I have already had good-actor success with uncensored models
- dragonwriter 3y ago> this cat is already out of the bag, so this is pointless legislation that just hampers progress This isn't legislation. And its not proposing anything except soliciting input from a broad range of civil society groups and writing a report. If the report calls for dumb regulatory ideas, that’ll be appropriate to complain about. But “there’s a thing that is happening that seems like it might have big effects, gather input from experts and concerned parties and then writeup findings on the impacts and what, if any, action seems warranted is... not a particularly alarming thing.
- pmarreck 3y agoOK. The way it was portrayed is that this was "very bad" so I assumed something was decreed without sufficient input from the industry/community.
- chasd00 3y ago> removal of safeguards within the model This is insanity. I have to be missing something, what else do the safeguards prevent the LLM from doing? This has to be more about this than like preventing an LLM from using bad words or showing support for Trump...
- dragonwriter 3y ago> I believe that is the relevant section, which I am hoping they realize how dumb this is going to be. How dumb its going to be to... solicit input from a wide range of different areas and write a report?
- tyler33 3y agowe just have to download the weights and use piratebay, or even emule, just like old times
- eurekin 3y agoYes, but companies will have no incentive to publish open source models anymore. Or, it could be so difficult/beaurocratic no one will bother and keep it close source
- moralestapia 3y agoWhat will actually happen is that innovation there will just move somewhere else (and it has partly done so). This proposal is the US doing that bicycle/stick meme, it will backfire spectacularly.
- lukeschlather 3y agoThe innovation is largely happening within the megacorps anyway, this is solely intended to make sure the innovation cannot move somewhere else.
- eurekin 3y agoStill, one of those corporations wants to capture the market and has monopolistic attitude. Meta clearly chose the other direction, when publishing their models and allowing us all to participate in.
- v3ss0n 3y agoMistral and Falcon is not from megacorps and not even US.and many other opensource chinese models . And both are based models that means they are totally organic outside of US.
- renewiltord 3y agoThat’s what they told us. Turns out Google stopped innovating a long time ago. They could say stuff like this when Bard wasn’t out but now we have Mistral and friends to compare to Llama. Now it turns out they were just bullshitting at Google.
- ilaksh 3y agoI don't see anywhere that it says weights are outlawed. The part I saw says something about making a report on risks or benefits of open weights. I agree that it is concerning the way it's open-ended. But where is the actual outlawing?
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- davepeck 3y agoThis assertion is not supported by the text of Biden’s Executive Order. There are a number of requirements placed on various government agencies to come up with safety evaluation frameworks, to make initial evaluations related to open weight models, and to provide recommendations back to the President within 270 days. But there’s nothing whatsoever that I can find that outlaws open weight models. There’s also little reason to think that “outlaw them” would be amongst the recommendations ultimately provided to the executive. (I can imagine recommendations that benefit incumbents by, for instance, placing such high burden on government adoption of open weight models that OpenAI is a much more attractive purchase. But that’s not the same as what you’re talking about.) I dunno, the EO seems pretty easy to read. Am I missing something in the text? https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action...
- s1gnp0st 3y agoYeah, they're not going to outlaw them. The well-worn path is to make the regulatory burden insurmountable for small companies; that will be enough. Disobey.
- renewiltord 3y agoHow does one provide the KYC information for open models?
- selfhoster11 3y agoMore to the point, why in the world should anyone "know" me to download a file? A simple antithesis of open technology, that's what this proposal is.
- dragonwriter 3y agoNothing in the order requires KYC information for open models.
- pmarreck 3y agoHow seriously threatening is this? How can they enforce something this stupid without even consulting with industry leaders?
- wahnfrieden 3y agoOpenAI has lobbied them among others, already. Our elected officials accept written law from lobbyists. Money and power games don't look out for common folks except incidentally or to the extent commoners mobilize against them.
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- pmarreck 3y agoI honestly can't blame OpenAI. They likely threw a huge amount of money at training and fine-tuning their models. I don't know how open-source will surpass them and not stay a second-tier solution without another huge generous event occurring like Facebook open-sourcing LLaMa
- freedomben 3y agoOh they have. Many of the industry leaders are importuning them for this. For industry leaders this is a business wet dream. It's "regulatory capture" at its finest
- dragonwriter 3y ago
- yeouch 3y agoCommon sense AI control NOW. Ban assault style GPUs
- oaththrowaway 3y agoNobody needs more that 4GB of VRAM
- kurisufag 3y agothe laws were designed for the GPUs of 2020, there's no way they could have predicted what technology would come to.
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