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It's one of those pieces of software that was clearly designed by programmers for programmers. It's not user friendly in the slightest, there's no onboarding p

It's one of those pieces of software that was clearly designed by programmers for programmers. It's not user friendly in the slightest, there's no onboarding process, and it changes so quickly that half of the information you find is already out of date. It's very useful, but my god is it clunky (And apparently destroys SD cards by design, but even that information may be out of date) I compare it to something like RetroArch or Eclipse. Does everything you could ever need, but has 50 different menus to try and find it

solarkraft 3y ago
> It's not user friendly in the slightest, there's no onboarding process > and it changes so quickly that half of the information you find is already out of date Ironic: Could your impression be outdated? The last time I set it up it had a setup assistant and the core features (which are very narrowly defined) were super simple to use. Anything remotely advanced is still a bit annoying, though.
InsomniacL 3y ago
> It's one of those pieces of software that was clearly designed by programmers for programmers. It's not user friendly in the slightest, there's no onboarding process, and it changes so quickly that half of the information you find is already out of date. It's very useful, but my god is it clunky I think this is an outdated view. for example: Configuring integrations though a config file is depreciated, everything through the UI and it will convert any old yaml configurations for you. > (And apparently destroys SD cards by design, but even that information may be out of date) I think you're talking about hosting it on a Raspberry Pi.. It supports almost all hardware and even using the Pi you can boot from an SSD.
smcleod 3y ago
Oh you really don’t want to see HA’s code… to write even a basic plugin is insanely over-complicated and clunky.
PurpleRamen 3y ago
> It's one of those pieces of software that was clearly designed by programmers for programmers. It's not user friendly in the slightest Yet, as a programmer, I've never felt at home either. It's clearly designed by programmers, because for a long time it was just a messy collection of functionality, without design. This changed some years ago, and has now become that frankenstein-thingy that tries to cater to end users, but is not really there yet to be actually good enough, and continues to be something in between that works hard on finding its real form and identity. And along the way it's break so often that it annoys everyone, yet still stays popular. Quite fascinating.

solarkraft 3y ago

> It's not user friendly in the slightest, there's no onboarding process > and it changes so quickly that half of the information you find is already out of date Ironic: Could your impression be outdated? The last time I set it up it had a setup assistant and the core features (which are very narrowly defined) were super simple to use. Anything remotely advanced is still a bit annoying, though.

InsomniacL 3y ago

> It's one of those pieces of software that was clearly designed by programmers for programmers. It's not user friendly in the slightest, there's no onboarding process, and it changes so quickly that half of the information you find is already out of date. It's very useful, but my god is it clunky I think this is an outdated view. for example: Configuring integrations though a config file is depreciated, everything through the UI and it will convert any old yaml configurations for you. > (And apparently destroys SD cards by design, but even that information may be out of date) I think you're talking about hosting it on a Raspberry Pi.. It supports almost all hardware and even using the Pi you can boot from an SSD.

smcleod 3y ago

Oh you really don’t want to see HA’s code… to write even a basic plugin is insanely over-complicated and clunky.

PurpleRamen 3y ago

> It's one of those pieces of software that was clearly designed by programmers for programmers. It's not user friendly in the slightest Yet, as a programmer, I've never felt at home either. It's clearly designed by programmers, because for a long time it was just a messy collection of functionality, without design. This changed some years ago, and has now become that frankenstein-thingy that tries to cater to end users, but is not really there yet to be actually good enough, and continues to be something in between that works hard on finding its real form and identity. And along the way it's break so often that it annoys everyone, yet still stays popular. Quite fascinating.