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Affected employees have 60 days to find a new role within the company or they will have to leave.

by alex_young 3y ago

yieldcrv 3y ago
thanks, it was paywalled for me beneath the fold
trilbyglens 3y ago
Sounds like a way to fire without actually firing.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Nah, you don't have to interview again, all you need is to look at open positions and contact a manager and if they say yes you got it, no hassle and you can start directly. It is good for both, you don't need to interview and the manager can see your performance reviews and code, so much easier to avoid bad engineers. Managers prefers internal candidates for this reason, so shouldn't be hard at all to find a new position unless you performed badly.
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    There aren't* open positions and there haven't been since August 2022. These used to be soft landings, now they're a brutal quick goodbye. Awful environment internally that I'm very glad to have left (voluntarily) recently. This was one of many silent layoffs. I found it dark and sad that Flexport took a lot of heat for rescinding offers, Blind's stuffed full of people who passed interviews & entered team match 14 months ago * a significant number of open positions, i.e., these events are well understood to be terminal now in practice. Times are strange
    - Jensson 3y ago
      Ah, I left years ago so wasn't aware. But not surprising, they constantly whittled down benefits or nice things or transparency when I worked there. Just a matter of time before things got this bad.
    - filoleg 3y ago
      > There aren't* open positions and there haven't been since August 2022. This is plainly incorrect. Source: myself applied to an open position I saw internally on Grow in May 2023 (earlier this year), had a few talks with the team just to figure out whether it was a good match for both sides and to talk about my previous experience. Been happily on that team since June. And I wasn’t laid off either, my previous team/org just ended up becoming a poor self-destroying environment due to some very questionable leadership decisions (which led to a lot of level-headed leadership people that kept it together just quitting in anger, along with many senior+ level ICs), so it was time for me to go (as i felt like i started losing my brain cells trying to follow the leadership that didn’t know what they wanted and were running around like beheaded chickens, all while my actual tech skills were starting to deteriorate). The whole process was just a regular click and apply for an open position, without knowing the manager or anyone else in that org. No whiteboard interviews or anything like that. And I am not some rockstar engineer or whatever, just a decent L4.
      - refulgentis 3y ago
        Sure, it's plainly incorrect, if you ignore the asterix. He didn't need a massive in-line disclaimer about there being more-than-zero, because #1 that's obvious #2 his thing was "ah it's fine because they still do it the old way" Old school defrags, like the one I went through in 2017, were a completely different animal. They lined up replacement jobs for you and also let you find another. They do not do that now. Now you are cut off from all corp immediately except Grow and Gmail. To be very clear, you are lucky. The number of Grow postings is a fraction of a fraction of what it was before August '22. A massive number of your colleagues were let go in January and about as much have been let go since in individual firings. It disgusted me that your reaction amounts to "Overblown! I transferred! Btw here's a rant about how much I hated my old team at my current job that flattens everyone to characters!" I highly suggest talking to your peers more and also not flattening others to caricatures. There's a reason Memegen is worked up and despondent and it's not because everyone else is overemotional and won't take advantage of the plethora of opportunities to change it up. If Memegen is a bridge too far because you can't forcefully interrogate people whose feelings you don't understand without your employer seeing, try Blind. What I said is absolutely completely 100% uncontroverstial.
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    >all you need is to look at open positions and contact a manager That only works if you still have full corp access
    - Jensson 3y ago
      Why wouldn't they have that? They are still employees during those months and gets paid.
      - Rebelgecko 3y ago
        Although I work for Google I don't have any hidden insights. I can think of some potential reasons but it's probably best for me to refrain from speculating about why layoffs have been handled they way they've been :)
        gtirloni 3y ago
        Speculation is our business here :)
      - 1letterunixname 3y ago
        Seems like a company-paid vacation and new digs, IYAM. The stupidity of big corporate over-expansion of productive capacity is two fold: 1. in the execution of hiring too many people, and 2. not saving the jobs of good people in the haste to meet a particular cost target. OXPC-layoffs demonstrates a lack of leadership attention to business fundamentals and a blithe unconcern for the stability and security employees depend on for their lives.
  - HerrMonnezza 3y ago
    It really depends on what your current and wanted roles are... When it happened to me, I would have had to interview again because there were no other roles in my career ladder left in town.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  Reducing investment in 1 area doesn't mean that a company doesn't want to invest in other areas.

Affected employees have 60 days to find a new role within the company or they will have to leave.

yieldcrv 3y ago

thanks, it was paywalled for me beneath the fold

trilbyglens 3y ago

Sounds like a way to fire without actually firing.

Jensson 3y ago
Nah, you don't have to interview again, all you need is to look at open positions and contact a manager and if they say yes you got it, no hassle and you can start directly. It is good for both, you don't need to interview and the manager can see your performance reviews and code, so much easier to avoid bad engineers. Managers prefers internal candidates for this reason, so shouldn't be hard at all to find a new position unless you performed badly.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  There aren't* open positions and there haven't been since August 2022. These used to be soft landings, now they're a brutal quick goodbye. Awful environment internally that I'm very glad to have left (voluntarily) recently. This was one of many silent layoffs. I found it dark and sad that Flexport took a lot of heat for rescinding offers, Blind's stuffed full of people who passed interviews & entered team match 14 months ago * a significant number of open positions, i.e., these events are well understood to be terminal now in practice. Times are strange
  - Jensson 3y ago
    Ah, I left years ago so wasn't aware. But not surprising, they constantly whittled down benefits or nice things or transparency when I worked there. Just a matter of time before things got this bad.
  - filoleg 3y ago
    > There aren't* open positions and there haven't been since August 2022. This is plainly incorrect. Source: myself applied to an open position I saw internally on Grow in May 2023 (earlier this year), had a few talks with the team just to figure out whether it was a good match for both sides and to talk about my previous experience. Been happily on that team since June. And I wasn’t laid off either, my previous team/org just ended up becoming a poor self-destroying environment due to some very questionable leadership decisions (which led to a lot of level-headed leadership people that kept it together just quitting in anger, along with many senior+ level ICs), so it was time for me to go (as i felt like i started losing my brain cells trying to follow the leadership that didn’t know what they wanted and were running around like beheaded chickens, all while my actual tech skills were starting to deteriorate). The whole process was just a regular click and apply for an open position, without knowing the manager or anyone else in that org. No whiteboard interviews or anything like that. And I am not some rockstar engineer or whatever, just a decent L4.
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      Sure, it's plainly incorrect, if you ignore the asterix. He didn't need a massive in-line disclaimer about there being more-than-zero, because #1 that's obvious #2 his thing was "ah it's fine because they still do it the old way" Old school defrags, like the one I went through in 2017, were a completely different animal. They lined up replacement jobs for you and also let you find another. They do not do that now. Now you are cut off from all corp immediately except Grow and Gmail. To be very clear, you are lucky. The number of Grow postings is a fraction of a fraction of what it was before August '22. A massive number of your colleagues were let go in January and about as much have been let go since in individual firings. It disgusted me that your reaction amounts to "Overblown! I transferred! Btw here's a rant about how much I hated my old team at my current job that flattens everyone to characters!" I highly suggest talking to your peers more and also not flattening others to caricatures. There's a reason Memegen is worked up and despondent and it's not because everyone else is overemotional and won't take advantage of the plethora of opportunities to change it up. If Memegen is a bridge too far because you can't forcefully interrogate people whose feelings you don't understand without your employer seeing, try Blind. What I said is absolutely completely 100% uncontroverstial.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  >all you need is to look at open positions and contact a manager That only works if you still have full corp access
  - Jensson 3y ago
    Why wouldn't they have that? They are still employees during those months and gets paid.
    - Rebelgecko 3y ago
      Although I work for Google I don't have any hidden insights. I can think of some potential reasons but it's probably best for me to refrain from speculating about why layoffs have been handled they way they've been :)
      - gtirloni 3y ago
        Speculation is our business here :)
    - 1letterunixname 3y ago
      Seems like a company-paid vacation and new digs, IYAM. The stupidity of big corporate over-expansion of productive capacity is two fold: 1. in the execution of hiring too many people, and 2. not saving the jobs of good people in the haste to meet a particular cost target. OXPC-layoffs demonstrates a lack of leadership attention to business fundamentals and a blithe unconcern for the stability and security employees depend on for their lives.
- HerrMonnezza 3y ago
  It really depends on what your current and wanted roles are... When it happened to me, I would have had to interview again because there were no other roles in my career ladder left in town.
charcircuit 3y ago
Reducing investment in 1 area doesn't mean that a company doesn't want to invest in other areas.