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Wait until you tell them that if no one has any more kids then the GDP will eventually go to zero.

by asynchronous 3y ago

mcny 3y ago
I'm putting my money where my mouth is by not having any children.
vinyl7 3y ago
Why do you think the borders are open?
- Paul-Craft 3y ago
  Where are you talking about? In the US, borders are very much not open. Getting an non-employment based immigrant visa without the sponsorship of a family member is nearly impossible, and getting an employment-based visa is complicated enough that only large companies will even offer visa sponsorship. Even assuming you have a good answer for that, what makes you think it matters? Birth rates are falling globally. Open borders only forestalls the inevitable.
  - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
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    - Paul-Craft 3y ago
      You're not trying hard enough. "Open borders" does not mean literally "people can physically cross the border." It's a statement about who is and isn't legally allowed to immigrate. Accusing me of denying the humanity of undocumented immigrants is extreme bad faith, and you should feel bad about it.
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      I really don’t think you’re making your argument in good faith. Is the artificial outrage really that necessary in this case? > charitable interpretation of your post, but I simply can't find one Most reasonable people would find one.
  - wizerdrobe 3y ago
    Doing it the right way is, sadly, comically hard. Coming to the border, making a (legitimate|illegitimate) asylum claim, being processed, given a Notice to Appear, and being released into the interior of the United States is as easy as a $1-2,000 payment to smugglers. From there, either working under the table or working off of a stolen identity is the norm. Thankfully, the latter is hard because the United States has a robust identity verification system with the secure, secret identifier known as the Social Security Number and thankfully all states require employment verification to prevent abuse of stolen identities and the abuse of these workers.
    - ReptileMan 3y ago
      >and being released into the interior of the United States is as easy as a $1-2,000 payment to smugglers People are just walking over the border nowadays, not sure if smugglers are even needed.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    I don't know about "open borders" but about a million people a year come into the US; about 400k humanitarian migrants and 400k non-working immigration visas in 2022. I don't think you can say that that's "nearly impossible", and even if it is, the numbers are still very large; by far the most in the world.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      US has been the melting pot of the world for centuries, so I'm not surprised it has the most in the world. That said, this shrinking growth is a worldwide issue. Unless America imports more Africans (again...) and other 3rd world countries to try and balance things out, it's going to be a rough gen Alpha and beyond.
  - nradov 3y ago
    In the US, borders are de jure tightly controlled but de facto open. Anyone who sneaks across the border and claims refugee status can stay indefinitely. Very few are actually deported. Many of them receive temporary work authorizations, and even those who don't are able to find casual jobs for cash.
- futureamish 3y ago
  While the tone of this statement may be a faux-news talking point, it is correct to say that the US is importing people to maintain stable population growth because it can't generate a domestic quality of life in which people see a future for their children.

Wait until you tell them that if no one has any more kids then the GDP will eventually go to zero.

mcny 3y ago

I'm putting my money where my mouth is by not having any children.

vinyl7 3y ago

Why do you think the borders are open?

Paul-Craft 3y ago
Where are you talking about? In the US, borders are very much not open. Getting an non-employment based immigrant visa without the sponsorship of a family member is nearly impossible, and getting an employment-based visa is complicated enough that only large companies will even offer visa sponsorship. Even assuming you have a good answer for that, what makes you think it matters? Birth rates are falling globally. Open borders only forestalls the inevitable.
- Mountain_Skies 3y ago
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  - Paul-Craft 3y ago
    You're not trying hard enough. "Open borders" does not mean literally "people can physically cross the border." It's a statement about who is and isn't legally allowed to immigrate. Accusing me of denying the humanity of undocumented immigrants is extreme bad faith, and you should feel bad about it.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    I really don’t think you’re making your argument in good faith. Is the artificial outrage really that necessary in this case? > charitable interpretation of your post, but I simply can't find one Most reasonable people would find one.
- wizerdrobe 3y ago
  Doing it the right way is, sadly, comically hard. Coming to the border, making a (legitimate|illegitimate) asylum claim, being processed, given a Notice to Appear, and being released into the interior of the United States is as easy as a $1-2,000 payment to smugglers. From there, either working under the table or working off of a stolen identity is the norm. Thankfully, the latter is hard because the United States has a robust identity verification system with the secure, secret identifier known as the Social Security Number and thankfully all states require employment verification to prevent abuse of stolen identities and the abuse of these workers.
  - ReptileMan 3y ago
    >and being released into the interior of the United States is as easy as a $1-2,000 payment to smugglers People are just walking over the border nowadays, not sure if smugglers are even needed.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  I don't know about "open borders" but about a million people a year come into the US; about 400k humanitarian migrants and 400k non-working immigration visas in 2022. I don't think you can say that that's "nearly impossible", and even if it is, the numbers are still very large; by far the most in the world.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    US has been the melting pot of the world for centuries, so I'm not surprised it has the most in the world. That said, this shrinking growth is a worldwide issue. Unless America imports more Africans (again...) and other 3rd world countries to try and balance things out, it's going to be a rough gen Alpha and beyond.
- nradov 3y ago
  In the US, borders are de jure tightly controlled but de facto open. Anyone who sneaks across the border and claims refugee status can stay indefinitely. Very few are actually deported. Many of them receive temporary work authorizations, and even those who don't are able to find casual jobs for cash.
futureamish 3y ago
While the tone of this statement may be a faux-news talking point, it is correct to say that the US is importing people to maintain stable population growth because it can't generate a domestic quality of life in which people see a future for their children.