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David reached out to the maintainers on the relevant ML [0]. Could also CC the regressions@lists.linux.dev [1]. [0] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-input/nycvar.

David reached out to the maintainers on the relevant ML [0]. Could also CC the regressions@lists.linux.dev [1]. [0] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-input/nycvar.YFH.7.76.2311012033290.29220@cbobk.fhfr.pm/ https://lore.kernel.org/linux-input/nycvar.YFH.7.76.23110120... [1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.6/admin-guide/reporting-regressions.html https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.6/admin-guide/reporting-r...

molticrystal 3y ago
It didn't hurt that the comment section[0] for the blog is powered by the fediverse [1], so Greg KH responded to the post [2] pointing him towards writing that email and tips on doing so along with many other tech savvy individuals. This issue is being seen all over the place. [0] https://www.davidrevoy.com/article995/how-a-kernel-update-broke-my-stylus-need-help/show#comments https://www.davidrevoy.com/article995/how-a-kernel-update-br... [1] https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336038253784524 https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336038253784524 [2] https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E
charcircuit 3y ago
>No need to file some ticket in some random web form with some odd account, email. It's simple, and easy (note, turn off HTML mode for it please.) Does he not realize how poor of a user experience it is to interact with mailing lists compared to actual bug trackers?
- db48x 3y ago
  It’s email. How is it a poor experience? You literally just type out a description of your problem into your favorite email program, one you have used thousands of times in your life, put the address of the mailing list in the To field, and send it. Then when someone replies, you get the reply as an email. If that’s a poor user experience for you, then you are using the wrong email program.
  - whensdinner 3y ago
    it's an unsearchable waterfall of noise, especially if you have to subscribe to multiple. It's such a chaotic and ephemeral way to communicate about things that should be orderly and timeless. I honestly cannot imagine trying to make a case for mailing lists when there are more robust and intuitive options available. Saying "it's email" means nothing. Just because you announce the name of the tool doesn't make it the right tool.
    - db48x 3y ago
      It’s exactly as chaotic or orderly as the people who are talking to each other, and it would be no different if those same people were using a bug tracker. And what do you mean by unsearchable? There is a search box right there for anyone to use: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/ Long time subscribers to the list would do a local search from within their own email program, of course.
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    >It’s email. How is it a poor experience? How do you search for existence bug reports to see if someone else has hit the issue? How do you subscribe to an issue to know if progress is being made on it? How do you keep track of all of the issues. Why is it the user's job to traige bugs to the right person? Microsoft doesn't reccomend you to find the email of someone on the NTFS team if you find a bug in Window's handling of NTFS. The part about writing and sending the initial is passable using email, but everything else is terrible.
    - gpm 3y ago
      Even sending the initial email... This quite tech-savvy (based on the blog post) user - Was told how to send the email: https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E - Read and attempted to comply with those instructions: https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336814871081424 https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336814871081424 - Still ended up being told they did it wrong: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-input/ZULw6AcBaD6z2UZA@debian.me/ https://lore.kernel.org/linux-input/ZULw6AcBaD6z2UZA@debian....

molticrystal 3y ago

It didn't hurt that the comment section[0] for the blog is powered by the fediverse [1], so Greg KH responded to the post [2] pointing him towards writing that email and tips on doing so along with many other tech savvy individuals. This issue is being seen all over the place. [0] https://www.davidrevoy.com/article995/how-a-kernel-update-broke-my-stylus-need-help/show#comments https://www.davidrevoy.com/article995/how-a-kernel-update-br... [1] https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336038253784524 https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336038253784524 [2] https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E

charcircuit 3y ago

>No need to file some ticket in some random web form with some odd account, email. It's simple, and easy (note, turn off HTML mode for it please.) Does he not realize how poor of a user experience it is to interact with mailing lists compared to actual bug trackers?

db48x 3y ago
It’s email. How is it a poor experience? You literally just type out a description of your problem into your favorite email program, one you have used thousands of times in your life, put the address of the mailing list in the To field, and send it. Then when someone replies, you get the reply as an email. If that’s a poor user experience for you, then you are using the wrong email program.
- whensdinner 3y ago
  it's an unsearchable waterfall of noise, especially if you have to subscribe to multiple. It's such a chaotic and ephemeral way to communicate about things that should be orderly and timeless. I honestly cannot imagine trying to make a case for mailing lists when there are more robust and intuitive options available. Saying "it's email" means nothing. Just because you announce the name of the tool doesn't make it the right tool.
  - db48x 3y ago
    It’s exactly as chaotic or orderly as the people who are talking to each other, and it would be no different if those same people were using a bug tracker. And what do you mean by unsearchable? There is a search box right there for anyone to use: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/ Long time subscribers to the list would do a local search from within their own email program, of course.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  >It’s email. How is it a poor experience? How do you search for existence bug reports to see if someone else has hit the issue? How do you subscribe to an issue to know if progress is being made on it? How do you keep track of all of the issues. Why is it the user's job to traige bugs to the right person? Microsoft doesn't reccomend you to find the email of someone on the NTFS team if you find a bug in Window's handling of NTFS. The part about writing and sending the initial is passable using email, but everything else is terrible.
  - gpm 3y ago
    Even sending the initial email... This quite tech-savvy (based on the blog post) user - Was told how to send the email: https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E https://social.kernel.org/notice/AbN55QfONFCPweYq7E - Read and attempted to comply with those instructions: https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336814871081424 https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/111336814871081424 - Still ended up being told they did it wrong: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-input/ZULw6AcBaD6z2UZA@debian.me/ https://lore.kernel.org/linux-input/ZULw6AcBaD6z2UZA@debian....